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All Forum Posts by: Chungsoon Haw

Chungsoon Haw has started 6 posts and replied 18 times.

Post: Looking for Feedback on SFR Analysis

Chungsoon HawPosted
  • Kitchener, ONTARIO
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 0
Originally posted by @Roy N.:
Originally posted by @Chungsoon Haw:

Do you have any suggestions as to how I can get hard data?

 Chungsoon:

CMHC publishes Rental Market Data as part of its housing data.  You can look-up rent amounts, number of units, and vacancy.  In some Cities you can get breakdowns by area/neighbourhood.

You could also look at the listings on Kijiji (Craig's List will be less useful in Canada as it is not as widely used.)  to see what rent is being asked in the area.

Unless you are close (walking distance) to the university - or, perhaps, another large institution or employer - I would be cautious about operation as a rooming house.  In that case, you would want to ensure the property is a legal, confirming duplex and that it makes business sense to operate in that manner. 

 Thanks Roy. I looked it up and seems like vacancy is all under 5%. Not sure how to use that rent information as we're comparing rooms to a self contained unit, but regardless average rent between 650 (bachelor) to 1000 (2/1).

I'm 15 minutes away from city core and a part of the university.

Post: Looking for Feedback on SFR Analysis

Chungsoon HawPosted
  • Kitchener, ONTARIO
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 0
Originally posted by @Brent Paul:

Foundations can definitely cost you a lot of money and are an absolute mess for a beginner.  I would say get it checked out by a professional to make sure there is nothing majorly wrong there.  I have also seen a lot of cover up hack jobs with wiring.  Where someone illegally mix mashed knob and tube wiring with new wiring, but updated the breaker box.   I would say allow at least 10% over what your budget is as a safety net.

I don't know anyone that bought a property and didn't have to put something into it the first year.

Also a red flag is when the agent who knows the area says it's tough to find tenants.  To me that almost says to be very cautious or walk away.  You may want to look into seeing what's out there for rentals in the area.  If it's tough to rent you will be negative cash flow every month.  Location really is everything.  You can have an A property but if the location stinks you won't make any money.

Just because 8 people say they want to look at it doesn't mean all 8 will want to rent it.  Most of the people are just tire kickers and don't show up.  Nothing is for sure until someone signs a lease.  I wouldn't base the rents off of that.  

You are going to need some hard data to be absolute sure you can actually get tenants to rent these rooms.

Thanks a lot for your input. I agree with you that if it is true that finding tenants will be a pain, it will not work. The typical rent in the city is 400-500 with 700-900 for 1+den apartments/own duplex unit. 

Do you have any suggestions as to how I can get hard data?

Post: Looking for Feedback on SFR Analysis

Chungsoon HawPosted
  • Kitchener, ONTARIO
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 0

Thanks for the comments. I just looked up the zoning and it states that a lodging house would be a dwelling unit that has more than 5 rooms. Because this is a duplex, each dwelling unit has under 5 rooms. I will call to confirm that this is the case.

In other news, I spoke to a real estate agent today and he was saying that buildings that are 60+ years can have some major foundation issues. That and he was saying the region is going to be tough to find good tenants. 

He's definitely been successful with his own portfolio, but I think he's more of a push money into the property and let it appreciate type of guy so he didn't really have much to say / recommend me to talk to in terms of property management. Anyway, I'm not sure what to think at this point as the property has been there for over 3 months now so it's hard to imagine no one seeing this as an opportunity.

I think in a sense I'm forcing myself to make this work... but at the same time, the numbers show that this can become feasible...

Thoughts anyone?

Post: Looking for Feedback on SFR Analysis

Chungsoon HawPosted
  • Kitchener, ONTARIO
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 0
Originally posted by @Brent Paul:

That seems like a plan for disaster to have that many different unknown people living together under one roof.  I think you will be hard pressed to find residents to fill the rooms in that house.  Me personally if I was looking for a place to live the last thing I want to deal with is 3 other roomates.  Not to mention collecting rent, utilities, etc.  Maintenance will be much higher and more wear and tear than if it was rented to a family.

Why not rent it out as a duplex?

What are the rental rates to rent it as a duplex?

Run those numbers.  Check and double check.

Also keep in mind maintenance costs, , repairs, vacancy costs, property management, property insurance, taxes.   Lots of variables to work into those numbers to see if it can work.

Thanks for your thoughts. In terms of what I've done to test this, I've posted an ad up on kijiji (the craigslist of canada) specifically saying rooms for rent at 450 and had 8 people respond to see the place within a week. I'm not sure what the conversion rate would be, but I think there is a market for this type of thing. I'm also thinking of making one a female only and charging slightly more as I've seen a few females ask for female only places.

Right now I'm also assuming that a PM at 10% will be willing to collect from these tenants (well I'm assuming everything at this moment).  In regards to maintenance, how much do you think it should be?

As a duplex, I'd be looking at 1600 (800 a piece) if I'm conservative. If I can get the basement converted and it's legal (thus a triplex), 2300. Regardless, not enough to justify the 220,000 tag attached.

Post: Looking for Feedback on SFR Analysis

Chungsoon HawPosted
  • Kitchener, ONTARIO
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 0

Hi guys,

I'm super excited to be a part of this community and am still absorbing as much as I can through blogs, forums and podcasts. However, I figured it would be much faster to ask questions and get some feedback.

I found a duplex 4+3+basement(0 atm) at 250000.

I was thinking of converting each room into a separate rental and my market will allow for 400+utilities quite easily. My first question is: with all the SFR conversations, it seems like the underlying assumption is that one family will rent it out as oppose to multiple strangers. What do you think of renting it out to 7 different people and what type of additional costs will there be as oppose to two families?

Using those numbers, factoring in tax of ~3000/year, insurance of 600 (will probably be higher), maintenance 10%, PM 10%, vacancy 10%, I'm sitting at about 500/month. What are your thoughts in terms of feasibility?

I haven't gone to see the property yet, but I'm also thinking of seeing if there is a way to convert basement into a 2/1 unit as well.

Thanks in advance!

Post: SFR Thoughts

Chungsoon HawPosted
  • Kitchener, ONTARIO
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 0

I think I posted this at a bad time. 

Post: SFR Thoughts

Chungsoon HawPosted
  • Kitchener, ONTARIO
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 0

sorry, forgot to mention: interest rate at 4% 25yr mortgage which ends up being about 1150/month.

Post: SFR Thoughts

Chungsoon HawPosted
  • Kitchener, ONTARIO
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 0

Hi guys,

I'm super excited to be a part of this community and am still absorbing as much as I can through blogs, forums and podcasts. However, I figured it would be much faster to ask questions and get some feedback.

I found a duplex 4+3+basement(0 atm) at 250000. 

I was thinking of converting each room into a separate rental and my market will allow for 400+utilities quite easily. My first question is: with all the SFR conversations, it seems like the underlying assumption is that one family will rent it out as oppose to multiple strangers. What do you think of renting it out to 7 different people and what type of additional costs will there be as oppose to two families?

Using those numbers, factoring in tax of ~3000/year, insurance of 600 (will probably be higher), maintenance 10%, PM 10%, vacancy 10%, I'm sitting at about 500/month. What are your thoughts in terms of feasibility?

I haven't gone to see the property yet, but I'm also thinking of seeing if there is a way to convert basement into a 2/1 unit as well.

Thanks in advance!