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Post: How often do you buy/sell debt with buyback options?
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Quote from @Chris Seveney:
@Chuck Dreison
I have seen them 90 days to 3 years
Where I see them more in on hard money loans as some already have interest prepaid
The 3 years were on 2nd position notes which were newly originated and down payment assistance
@Chris Seveney that's very helpful. Thanks for your response, I appreciate hearing your experience.
Post: How often do you buy/sell debt with buyback options?
- San Diego, CA
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@Dan Deppen your point about an expiration date is a good one. Perhaps if the note was newly originated a one-year option might make sense.
In essence, the option could serve as a bridge while the note seasons.
I agree with your thoughts on introducing a lot of complexity -- hashing out all the details might only make sense for a very high-dollar note.
@Chris Seveney that's helpful to hear you've seen it infrequently on newly originated notes. Do you recall if there was an expiration date on those, as Dan mentioned?
Post: How often do you buy/sell debt with buyback options?
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I’ve been chatting with a fund manager about our performing notes.
He asked a question I hadn’t heard before...
Would we be willing to buy any loans back if the borrower goes 90 days delinquent?
Typically, when funds acquire loans, they assume delinquency/default risk in exchange for earning a yield on their investment.
Yet this would work differently – it’s a request to purchase debt alongside a corresponding put option/insurance policy.
From the buyer’s perspective, as long as the seller remains solvent, with sufficient liquidity for any exercised options, it’s a risk-free investment. Any delinquent loans are “put” back on the seller.
From the seller’s perspective, it requires managing the complexity and liquidity requirements of outstanding options.
To compensate for the transference of risk, notes with put options trade at a lower yield.
- Sellers receive payment for the loan and a premium for the option.
- Buyers earn a reduced yield but hold a valuable option.
Much in the same way that equity yields are reduced in up markets when bought with put options.
How often do you buy/sell debt with put options? Any interesting experiences?