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All Forum Posts by: Christopher G Platt

Christopher G Platt has started 3 posts and replied 18 times.

Post: 18 Unit Portfolio, Buffalo New York

Christopher G PlattPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Buffalo NY
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 12

@Matthew Irish-Jones Thank you for your comment. You’re absolutely right; big renovation projects like this have way too many variables for a novice investor and I should move on from this deal. However, I do not think that looking into this deal was a waste of time for me. It got me thinking creatively about what it would take to make a deal like this happen, it motivated me to reach out to a commercial broker, and to reach out to you and the rest of the BP community.

Post: 18 Unit Portfolio, Buffalo New York

Christopher G PlattPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Buffalo NY
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 12

@Caleb Heimsoth Thank you for the advice. I will still go look at this deal because I made the appointment and I think it will be a good experience, but will not pursue it beyond that.

I do my best to focus on school, but it’s tough sometimes because I know that I could get paid to learn through real estate investing instead of paying to learn at school.

Post: 18 Unit Portfolio, Buffalo New York

Christopher G PlattPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Buffalo NY
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 12

@Kyle A. Yes, after reading everyone’s comments and thinking some more, I realized that this deal would be biting off more than I could chew.

The Grant Cardone mentality definitely crossed my mind when I first saw this deal... 10X a duplex, you get 20 units, and 18 isn’t far off

Post: 18 Unit Portfolio, Buffalo New York

Christopher G PlattPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Buffalo NY
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 12

Hello Bigger Pockets members,

Here is the potential deal: 18 unit portfolio over three adjacent parcels including 2 multifamily apartment buildings, one mixed use building with a storefront and a 2 unit ADU (accessory dwelling unit behind it), a two stall garage, and vacant lot. All built between 1910-1920 (common for Buffalo). Properties are located right across from the Tri-Main Building (a large adaptive reuse project filled with offices), is an 8 minute walk from the nearest light rail station, bus stops are a two minute walk away, UB South is a 10 minute bike ride, Delaware Park is a 10 minute walk, and a major hospital is just down Main Street.

 Listing: https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/5-Greenfield-St-Buffalo-NY/16567381/

Gallery of photos: http://www.cgplatt.com/2019/07/19/greenfield-properties

I went to check out the properties yesterday. Found the exterior to be in rough shape - see pictures (distressed property). Then a neighbor from across the street asked what was doing, I told him I was interested in buying these buildings, so he told me the story. Neighbor knew the owner for over 30 years, thought he was a great guy, but he passed away recently and now his kids are selling the property (motivated seller). The neighbor was an older gentleman who owns several houses on the street, but wasn't interest in the property I was looking at because its listed for $400k and (according to him) could use about that much in renovations and that the conditions inside matched outside. He followed that with, "But we need someone to save that place."

This morning I called the broker. I asked about cap rate and rents (listing said 90% occupancy), the broker told me that he found out yesterday while showing the property that only four tenants were left (22% occupancy) so the cap rate would be very low right now (opportunity for value added). He confirmed what I heard from the neighbor, said the inside needs work but shows well, that he already has one offer submitted, but would still show the property to me on  Monday - I said sure. Am I wasting his time if I don't have sufficient financing lined up?

As of right now, I do not have $80k for a down payment (20% of $400k) and even if I did, I'm not sure a commercial lender would lend a property in this condition. Nor have I ever owned any property, commercial or residential. I do have a partner who currently manages two SROs (single room occupancy) near UB south. He and I are actively shopping for a duplex in Buffalo, but are open to better opportunities if we can create them. We're both recent architecture school graduates. He works full time at an architecture firm now, and I'll be a masters or urban planning student at UB in the fall. Between the two of us, we've got about $20-25k to put towards a real estate investment. 

Obviously, on our own, we cannot make this deal happen. What would it take to make this happen?

Seller financing is probably out, the kids probably just want to settle the estate and move on, but I will ask the broker on Monday. Bringing on a private equity partner is the most likely solution that I know of. Thanks to Matt Faircloth's lessons on raising private capital, I know that there are 3 primary types of people to look for in my network: people with excess cash (the Millionaire next door), people who own their homes free and clear, and people with IRA accounts. Unfortunately, the few people in my network who meet that criteria don't meet another import criteria: willingness to risk their capital on two guys who have never owned property, nor done extensive renovation work (my partner has done some at the houses he manages and I have done a little, but not much).

But lets try to make this a little more tangible with some numbers (assume renovations are paid for initially with our cash reserves, then with cashflow from the property, and that one additional unit could be renovated and rented per month): 

Purchase price $350k

  • Estimated rehab costs: $300k
  • 20% down payment (provided by theoretical partner) $70k
  • Loan principle: $280k
  • Estimated current rent: $500x4 = $2,000/mo or $24k/yr
  • Average rent in the area according to rentometer for a 1 bedroom apartment is $803/month. Given the age and lack of amenities offered at these buildings, $750/month might be more accurate meaning that after complete renovations, this portfolio could gross $13.5k/month and $162k annually. 
  • Expenses (After renovations are complete): Repairs (5%), Vacancy (10%), Cap Ex (10%), $2000/month for the mortgage, $300/mo in property tax, $200/mo for insurance = $7827.50/month and $93,930/yr NOI.
  • And based on a look around LoopNet, cap rates in the area are around 7% resulting in an ARV of $1.3M

I know these numbers are pretty rough, and would appreciate your feedback. If you have any other advice for me, I'm all ears. And if anyone is in Buffalo and is interested in this deal, with or without me, please send me a message.

Thank you,

Chris

Post: New to the BP community (Buffalo NY)

Christopher G PlattPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Buffalo NY
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 12

Welcome to the forum @Steven McDermott. I am also an aspiring real estate investor in Buffalo. Like other people have said: learn, listen, and take action (Episode 276 of the BP podcast is a great one about taking action). Best of luck to you on your journey and maybe we can work out a time to get together this summer in Buffalo.

Post: Student in Buffalo, New York - Introduction Post

Christopher G PlattPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Buffalo NY
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 12

Thank you @Scott Wolf!

If I continue being persistent and learning more and more, I think you will be right.

Post: Best Financing option when you have enormous student debt

Christopher G PlattPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Buffalo NY
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 12

Another central New York resident! I went to school in Camden, New York which is about 30 minutes from Rome.

Like you, I am also someone with student debt who has recently applied for a loan to purchase property. Do you have a full time job? And what is your debt to income ratio? The answers to those questions are more important than the fact you have $200k in student loans. One lender told me that they use the equation below to determine lending eligibility: 

Monthly student loan payment + (potential) monthly mortgage payment + other debts < 45% of your monthly income

I am not lender of any sort, and am simply relaying the information given to me. If you now work as a pharmacist, then you may have the right debt to income ratio to get a mortgage. 

In terms of which mortgage option is best, I would advocate for an FHA loan or the FHA 203(k) rehab loan to take advantage of the 3.5% down payment. However, be mindful of the other requirements and fees including PMI (principle mortgage insurance)

Post: Student in Buffalo, New York - Introduction Post

Christopher G PlattPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Buffalo NY
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 12

Hello Bigger Pockets members!

My name is Christopher Platt and this is my first post on the BP forum. I am 22 years old, currently in my final semester of architecture school at Alfred State College (two hours south of Buffalo) and I will be attending UB for a Masters of urban planning in the fall of 2019. 

I grew up on a hay farm in Florence, New York. From a young age I learned to appreciate good work ethic and had the mindset of "If something brakes, you fix it" instilled in me throughout my life. I was exposed to the idea of real estate investing as a child, but didn't really understand what that meant or have any interest in being a real estate investor until a couple years ago. My father used to rent a trailer (mobile home) down the road from his farm to low income tenants for $100 per month. The impression I got from that arrangement at the time was that dealing with tenants is a hassle: many didn't pay on time, damaged the property, and the last one ultimately caused my father to go to court to get unpaid rent. I did make $40 off that tenant by returning the beer cans he left behind, but the lesson I should have learned was that trailer and property had been paid off long before it was rented out and the maintenance was minimal so that money was earned for doing little work, especially compared to labor on the farm or my parents full time jobs.

I discovered Bigger Pockets somewhat by accident. I wanted to listen to something productive on my hour and a half drive to a friend's house for a new years eve party and downloaded the final episode of 2018 for the Bigger Pockets Money podcast. Since then I've switched to the original Bigger Pockets podcast and listed to over 20 episodes, read "The Richest Man in Babylon" and gotten a lot more serious about real estate investing. 

My path into real estate investing is a little unusual, so I thought I would share it with you all.

At the end of the fall 2018 semester, I was having lunch with a professor and mentor who is a Buffalo native. He asked me, "Where will you live while you attend grad school?" Without hesitation, I responded by saying "In an apartment." Then he encouraged me to look into buying a house instead, to which I responded by saying I have very little money and can't afford a house. He went on to tell me about a friend of his who bought a house in Buffalo for $1 through the "Buffalo Homestead Program"  with the following terms: the property had to be your primary residence for 3 years and all code violations had to be resolved in 18 months. He also told me about a different friend of his who bought a house directly from the city without being a part of any program.

At this point, only one other architecture student from Alfred State was planning to go to UB for grad school in the fall and agreed that we should pursue buying a house opposed to each of us paying someone else $400-$500/month in rent for the next year (or two in my case). Our goal was to buy a really cheap duplex before the spring semester ended in May, live in one unit while fixing it up during the summer, rent the newly renovated unit to someone else and move into the other side and fix it up - all while going to college or working full time.

I went home and looked into purchasing city owned property directly. I scoured the Buffalo city property information site for days and created a spread sheet of 50 interesting properties. These are properties the city took ownership of after the previous owner got behind on taxes so many of them are derelict and have been vacant for years. The application to purchase city owned property requires proof of $5,000 in a bank account - which I didn't have - so I convinced my Mom that this plan was better than renting and she gave me a loan for $5,000. I later learned that the process of buying city owned property is lengthy, challenging, and required a lot more money than we had. We did have the opportunity to meet the director of real estate for the City of Buffalo in person in January and she told us that we would need to show proof of the purchase price of a house and all the entire renovation budget up front in order to buy property directly from the city. Plus, it would take months to get a city inspector to the property, assess the value, complete a report of code violations, determine the cost to fix those violations and make the house habitable, get the potential sale approved by other city departments, then have our application reviewed - the whole process could take six months or more which didn't fit our schedule and she said we were not likely to be approved.

The Homestead program no longer exists and has been replaced by the "Homegrown" Program which has much stricter terms - few houses to choose from (less than 10), higher purchase price ($6k-$50k) minimum occupancy is 10 years, all work must be completed by a licensed contractor prior to moving in, applicants must be between 50%-80% of the area median income, etc. Regardless, we decided to apply anyway - we got denied based on income. Combined, our income from seasonal work and a little work during the academic year wasn't enough to meet the minimum income requirement. 

The Director of Real Estate for the City of Buffalo also gave me the contact information for a director at Habitat for Humanity. At the end of a long phone call, he also determined that we weren't the right fit for their services either. 

I also scoured the 2018 results of the annual In Rem auction just to find out that the auction is held in October, again, outside our schedule. 

My partner had excellent credit and a more stable employment history than me, so we figured we would talk to a realtor and buy a house with a mortgage (which would still be cheaper than paying rent each month). We met a realtor, she showed us four duplexes but none were going to work for us. We also spoke a mortgage representative from a bank who told us that we would probably need a cosigner and neither of us have parents or relatives willing to take on that liability. Shorty after that, my partner decided he didn't want to go grad school and bailed on the endeavor.

Regardless, I continued to talk to lenders and gave them my financial information to get a more accurate answer. The verdict with every lender was this "You have a really good idea, and even if 85% of the potential rental income would cover the mortgage, we can't lend to someone without a full time job." At this point I had tried about everything I could and was getting disappointed. Then I found a new partner; another fellow architecture student at Alfred, one with experience and steady income as a property manager in Buffalo, a plan to start working full time after graduation, and who shares my goal of reaching financial independence by age 35. 

I am still hopeful that we will work something out, are in the process of discussing the terms of out partnership given the fact that I only $5,000 to contribute, but nothing is finalized at this point. I hope you found this introduction interesting and I'd be glad to answer any questions or to listen to any advice you have.