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All Forum Posts by: Christine Shay

Christine Shay has started 2 posts and replied 17 times.


If you had explained this key point up front, we could have saved a lot of time and trouble. Asking for ID after she's already been working with you is not reasonable or justified.

Do you have a question we can help with?
I was asking if I'm legally required to provide ID to a RE agent in NC. Looking back I can see that wasn't clear in what I originally wrote. 
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:

Right back at ya, cowboy. If building a relationship based on trust and offering multiple alternate solutions to prove my identity is demanding and "beotchy" then guilty as charged. If a man did the same and stood up for what he preferred you'd slap him on the back with an atta boy, go have a beer and part as friends. 

Quote from @Steve K.:
It's one thing to weigh in and answer a question, it's something else entirely to be rude and presumptous as your comments were and are. I'm done conversing with you as your comments continue to be unhelpful and obnoxious ("unless they’re clueless about current events"). 
Quote from @Steve K.:

I don't work with rookies. That's an ignorant thing to assume and your comment about what I might do going forward is idiotic. 
I'm working with 3 other FEMALES in 3 other states and none have asked me for ID. We develop a relationship based on trust. If you want to work with strangers and nefarious characters that you can't, don't or won't trust, sure get their ID and presume they're going to scam, fraud, assault or kill you. 
I don't live or work that way. 
A notary, title company or law firm keeping my documents is an entirely different matter than a brokerage deciding they can keep them for themselves. Hard no.

Quote from @Russell Brazil:

You are a stranger. What if you rob and kill the agent? What if you are trying to scam someone?

38% of agents are placed in situations where they have feared for their safety.  11% of agents have been a victim of a violent crime while conducting their business.

We do an in office, or a coffee shop consult. We require a copy of your ID, proof of funds, and lender pre-approval letter to proceed with working with our team. Client doesn't want to, we move on. I'm not putting myself or my team members in positions to be scammed or be a victim of violence.

That's very dramatic, especially since she never asked for it BEFORE we went to multiple empty homes in remote areas of 3 counties. Not about safety in the least
Quote from @Jeff Allen:
If that was why she would have asked for it before we went out together seeing empty houses in remote areas of the county I'm looking. She didn't. 
Quote from @Ed O.:

@Steve K.

Why I think it's a new agent? I know many people that would laugh at such a request. Let's assume that's half of the people in a market. The realtor now can only work with half of their potential customers. Beyond that, who is going to refer someone that operates like that? In our reia, we probably would laugh about this person a few times a year. Just saying. I'm sure if this is a hard and fast rule, demanding an ID in order to work with someone to make a nice commission - they probably have a bunch of other exclusively self serving demands of their customer. To me, it would seem difficult to sustain yourself in a sales position with this approach. I've probably worked with 12-15 realtors over the years. No one has ever asked for ID, and it would be memorable if one did. 

It's not them seeing the ID, it's also them being a responsible custodian of the information. When large companies, like Home Depot get hacked (40,000,000 customers) and they offer 12 months of credit monitoring, as their way of making things "right" - that's not enough to offset a lifetime of a compromised identity and all of the headaches the come with it. Their settlement, from what Google tells me, amounted to less than 50 cents a person. 

Do I think a realtor is going to protect my personal information in the way it should be.... uh... no. Some certainly would, but probably not even the majority of them would. 

As far as a safety issue - pack heat and be trained and proficient in using it. I realize that's not a perfect solution, but certainly a better one. I went into a business a few years ago, and on the outside door, it said "This is NOT a gun free zone." I don't think anyone will try any funny business there. 

🎯💯 100% agree with you on all your points, especially about them being a trustworthy and responsible custodian of my personal ID and packing heat. I already have a new agent who completely understands the issue and never asks for ID. Btw, she isn't new. 10 years experience, I think
Quote from @Nathan Gesner:

1. It's a free country. If you don't like the way they do business, you are free to work with a different brokerage.

2. Did you ask her why they require it? If she can't explain the reason, I would question her skills as an agent.

3. It's a safety issue. Female agents are especially vulnerable when showing property to strangers. Many offices require a photo ID on file in case something happens (fraud, sexual assault, murder, abusive language or behavior, etc.). 


1. I'm aware.
2. Yes and was quite abrupt about it, lacking any sense of client service or sensitivity to why I might object and immediately severed our working relationship, despite that I offered several other ways to meet her needs while minimizing how much I might compromise my always safeguarded ID. In hindsight she was never the right realtor for me anyway, so I'm glad and have moved on.
3. It's not a safety issue. If it were she would have asked for it before we went out together seeing empty houses in remote areas of the county I'm looking. She didn't.
Quote from @Steve K.:
Quote from @Christine Shay:
Quote from @Steve K.:

I met with a PI recently to have him teach me various ways to tell if a Driver's License is fake. I had one on file from a fake seller who had recently tried to get me to list a property that didn't belong to them, and we found 16 different ways it was fake. They sent me a fake deed for the property too. I'd be grateful that your agent and their brokerage is on top of what's going on in the world. They'll probably make sure whoever you buy from is the actual seller too, and that you don't wire your hard-earned money overseas to a scammer like a lot of people have done recently. An agent doing their due diligence to protect themselves will probably be better at protecting their clients too. That would be a positive for me right now with all the scamming going on. Wire fraud, identity theft, fake sellers, fake buyers stealing things from listings… all these things are common these days and agents always get named in the resulting law suits because they carry E&O insurance. I won't be surprised if keeping copies of ID on file becomes a requirement and I view that as a positive. Unless your ID is fake?

You're probably right about it becoming a requirement at some point but right now it isn't. If it does, then I'll oblige. Until then, I don't ever share my ID with anyone ever, unless it's legally required. Ever had your identity stolen?? Guess not

 Well, you’ll probably be more likely to have your identity stolen working with an agent that is less careful. 

I doubt it. 
Quote from @Steve K.:

I met with a PI recently to have him teach me various ways to tell if a Driver's License is fake. I had one on file from a fake seller who had recently tried to get me to list a property that didn't belong to them, and we found 16 different ways it was fake. They sent me a fake deed for the property too. I'd be grateful that your agent and their brokerage is on top of what's going on in the world. They'll probably make sure whoever you buy from is the actual seller too, and that you don't wire your hard-earned money overseas to a scammer like a lot of people have done recently. An agent doing their due diligence to protect themselves will probably be better at protecting their clients too. That would be a positive for me right now with all the scamming going on. Wire fraud, identity theft, fake sellers, fake buyers stealing things from listings… all these things are common these days and agents always get named in the resulting law suits because they carry E&O insurance. I won't be surprised if keeping copies of ID on file becomes a requirement and I view that as a positive. Unless your ID is fake?

You're probably right about it becoming a requirement at some point but right now it isn't. If it does, then I'll oblige. Until then, I don't ever share my ID with anyone ever, unless it's legally required. Ever had your identity stolen?? Guess not