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All Forum Posts by: Christian Jones

Christian Jones has started 8 posts and replied 18 times.

Post: Auction Purchase...Evil Tenants= HELP!!

Christian Jones
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  • Fordland, MO
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Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Huso Akaratovic

Get an attorney to deal with it and start eviction and have them provide copy of lease. If lease is not arms length transaction and between family then it can be null and void if to prove its a below market and not arms length transaction

What is an arms length transaction? 

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

Christian Jones
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  • Fordland, MO
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View report

*This link comes directly from our calculators, based on information input by the member who posted.

More information: The seller is asking $380k. Current rent roll between the 5 properties is $3800. Four of the properties are in Springfield, MO and are SFR. ONE 3/2 and three 2/1. The fifth property is a lake house in Aldrich, MO. I’m still waiting for more information on this one. 

My credit union is telling me it would be an 80% loan on 20 year amortization at 8%.


The seller is offering to finance the other 20% as well as the closing costs. 

So far, to make the numbers work, I would have to buy them for $333k to make $100/door. This is not taking into consideration the payment on the other 20% or closing. 

A 30 year amortization would help the numbers work better. 

Is there anything I’m overlooking?

Post: Funding Rehabs when the originating bank has frozen new loans

Christian Jones
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  • Fordland, MO
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Quote from @Sanat Bhandari:

@Christian Jones Great job, sounds like a solid deal! This seems a perfect candidate for a portfolio cash-out refinance to get the equity out to do the rehab 

Hard or private money from a local lender is another option but if the properties are leased, then a portfolio loan could be a better choice


 Thanks. Currently only one unit is vacant and we are working with an attorney on two evictions. Then we have another unit that should be ready for rehab in April.

Post: Funding Rehabs when the originating bank has frozen new loans

Christian Jones
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  • Fordland, MO
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Quote from @Stacy Raskin:

@Christian Jones, if your cash flowing and they're rental properties and you want equity out, a DSCR loan can be a good way to go.

What is the rough property value on each one? Many DSCR lenders have minimum property values.

Not sure how familiar you're with DSCR loans- they don't consider your income.

Here's a bit more in detail about how rates are calculated for DSCR loans:

1. Credit score- the higher the best. 760+ generally gets best pricing for investment property loans with most lenders

2. Loan to value ratio: The higher the loan to value ratio (LTV) is, pricing takes a hit. So your pricing will be higher for a 80% LTV loan than for a 60% LTV loan.

3. Are you cash flowing the property? Is your DSCR ratio greater than 1-meaning are you cash flowing. Many lenders will not do a DSCR loan unless cash flowing. If they will do a loan with less than 1, the pricing takes a hit. I've included an example below to help illustrate this.

So different lenders have different rates (which do vary even for DSCR loans) but these are factors they all consider.

See example below:

DSCR < 1

Principal + Interest = $1,700

Taxes = $350

Insurance = $100

Association Dues = $50

Total PITIA = $2200

Rent = $2000

DSCR = Rent/PITIA = 2000/2200 = 0.91

Since the DSCR is 0.91, we know the expenses are greater than the income of the property.

DSCR >1

Principal + Interest = $1,500

Taxes = $250

Insurance = $100

Association Dues = $25

Total PITIA = $1875

Rent = $2300

DSCR = Rent/PITIA = 2300/1875 = 1.23

Lender terms and fees vary widely. 

I purchased the portfolio for $415k. Current loan is $331k. 

Appraised values:

$111,000.00
$70,000.00
$72,000.00
$97,000.00
$78,000.00
$105,000.00
$70,000.00
$136,000.00
$138,000.00
$109,000.00
$80,000.00
$90,000.00
$39,000.00
$136,000.00

For a total of $1,331,000 appraised value.

The house that is ready for rehab today is one that was purchased for about $30k, appraised for $136k as it sits with an ARV of $180k

Post: Funding Rehabs when the originating bank has frozen new loans

Christian Jones
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  • Fordland, MO
  • Posts 18
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Quote from @Jason Taken:
Quote from @Christian Jones:

I closed on 14 properties in the Springfield, MO area at the end of November using a portfolio loan. The bank that we used just told me that they have frozen making any new loans and so I can't just get my rehab money from them. I have lots of equity in these properties. I'm looking for suggestions for how to finance my rehabs. I was counting on using the equity they already have. My partner and I are considering doing cash out refi or heloc through another bank or institution. Is this the best course?


 Any of us in the private sector would love to take them out one by one and rehab them for you. 

As far as the releases you need to be clean on the terms of each property or if you can do a complete takeout. 

What do you mean about clean on the terms of each property? Doing a complete takeout is under consideration. 

Post: Funding Rehabs when the originating bank has frozen new loans

Christian Jones
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  • Fordland, MO
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Quote from @Erik Estrada:

Hey Christian, 

I am guessing this is with Civic Financial? 

Does the portfolio loan allow for partial releases? And are you looking to refinance all 14 properties? 

The original loan is with a small local bank. Their deposit to loan ratio is too heavy on the loan side currently. 

Refinancing all 14 is a possibility we are considering. 

Post: Funding Rehabs when the originating bank has frozen new loans

Christian Jones
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  • Fordland, MO
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I closed on 14 properties in the Springfield, MO area at the end of November using a portfolio loan. The bank that we used just told me that they have frozen making any new loans and so I can't just get my rehab money from them. I have lots of equity in these properties. I'm looking for suggestions for how to finance my rehabs. I was counting on using the equity they already have. My partner and I are considering doing cash out refi or heloc through another bank or institution. Is this the best course?

Post: Funding Rehabs when the originating bank has frozen new loans

Christian Jones
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  • Fordland, MO
  • Posts 18
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I closed on 14 properties in the Springfield, MO area at the end of November using a portfolio loan. The bank that we used just told me that they have frozen making any new loans and so I can't just get my rehab money from them. I have lots of equity in these properties. I'm looking for suggestions for how to finance my rehabs. I was counting on using the equity they already have. My partner and I are considering doing cash out refi or heloc through another bank or institution. Is this the best course? 

Post: 14 units. 1 purchase

Christian Jones
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  • Fordland, MO
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Investment Info:

Single-family residence buy & hold investment in Rogersville.

Purchase price: $29,643
Cash invested: $1,429

My partner and I purchased 14 properties for $415k. 4 mobile homes and 10 stick builds.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

I wanted to get rid of the mobile home on my street.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

I called the landlady. She said she was ready to sell. It took a while to get back a hold of her because the trailer was on the same loan as 2 others. I told her I would take all three. She asked if I would be interested in other houses. I said yes and she offered the other 11. The process took about six months.

How did you finance this deal?

80-20 commercial loan through a small local bank and several debt investors.

How did you add value to the deal?

We are rehabbing each stick built house as we can. We are considering replacing each mobile home with either a new build or a modular home.

What was the outcome?

We own 14 properties. We will likely have 2 evictions in the new year due to two tenants who have a history of nonpayment.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Still learning. Challenges: rehabbing with tenants. Bought evictions.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

We worked with the Bank of Billings

Post: Screening inherited tenants?

Christian Jones
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  • Fordland, MO
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Quote from @Richard F.:

Aloha,

I would normally meet with each tenant to inspect their unit very shortly after closing. At that time I inform them their current agreement will NOT be renewed when the current term is up. They are welcome to submit a complete application if they wish to remain and sign a new agreement with our terms, which may, or may not, be different from current terms, depending on our findings of condition, current market conditions, and their credit worthiness.

Be sure you are getting the security deposits transferred to you at closing, and confirmation of rents/deposit with estoppel. If they have not already been advised of a change in address/account for rent payments and maintenance requests, that should be provided to each tenant at that initial meeting also, although my preference is for the prior owner or PM to send a simple letter of introduction to the tenants to ensure a smooth transition as a first step.

The previous owner didn’t take security deposits