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All Forum Posts by: Christian Block

Christian Block has started 1 posts and replied 32 times.

Post: Flip turns into long term rental

Christian BlockPosted
  • Accountant
  • Redmond, WA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 12
Quote from @Pandu Chimata:
Quote from @Christian Block:

One other thing to consider is creating a larger loss with expensing the repairs probably doesn't create a tax benefit if you don't have 1) other passive income  2) you aren't a real estate professional or 3) you phase out of the special $25k real estate loss allowance.

1) I do have other incomes/losses - from another short term rental property. 2) No, I am not a real estate professional, I have W2 income and this is my side hustle. 3) Can you please elaborate more on this 25K real estate loss allowance? In my last tax filing, I had shown another property that I flipped in 2022 via schedule C but that resulted into a profit. 

 If your short term rental property qualifies as a business, you won't be able to offset that income with a loss on your passive long term rental property.

You can find more info on the special $25k rental loss allowance at the link below.  There is a low income threshold phase-out, however, so this may not work for you.

https://www.irs.gov/publications/p925#en_US_2022_publink1000...

Post: Beneficial Ownership Information (BOI) Reporting

Christian BlockPosted
  • Accountant
  • Redmond, WA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 12

First, sorry if this has been discussed already, but I thought this would be a good time to provide some cautioning on the Beneficial Ownership Information (BOI) reporting, as required by the Corporate Transparency Act, effective 1/1/2024. Every person who owns or manages an LLC should be aware of this.

I won't rehash all of the specifics (I will link the Small Entity Compliance guide below) but this probably affects most rental real estate investors who own their property in an LLC. If your reporting company was established before 1/1/2024, you have until 1/1/2025 to file your BOI report. And if your reporting company was established after 1/1/2024 and before 1/1/2025, you have 90 calendar days after receiving notice of your company's creation to file your report.


Also of note, if you not already applied for an EIN, I think you want to do that now, or sometime before filing your BOI report.

https://www.fincen.gov/sites/default/files/shared/BOI_Small_...

Post: Flip turns into long term rental

Christian BlockPosted
  • Accountant
  • Redmond, WA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 12

One other thing to consider is creating a larger loss with expensing the repairs probably doesn't create a tax benefit if you don't have 1) other passive income  2) you aren't a real estate professional or 3) you phase out of the special $25k real estate loss allowance.

Short answer, no.  I'd suspect that will be taxable in the country were the retirement account is located.  As for US income tax, there may be tax treaty benefits and/or the application of the foreign tax credit.

I think the first thing you want to check is Section 121 gain exclusion eligibility.  Go through the five part test to see if you meet the requirements.  This should give you a good idea of the amount of gain (if any) you will realize.

https://www.irs.gov/publications/p523

Post: Beginner tax question

Christian BlockPosted
  • Accountant
  • Redmond, WA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 12
Quote from @David Orr:
Quote from @Christian Block:

Just to clarify so no one misreads that, short term rentals still go on Schedule E in most cases.  Substantial services are the only deciding factor on whether a rental should go on Schedule C, and that's pretty rare (only if you provide meals, entertainment, or daily cleaning during a guest's stay). I'm not sure if the original post is a short term rental (but if so, by the way, you also have to depreciate it over 39 years instead of 27.5).  

About the cost basis, it's based on the original purchase price, but you also have to subtract out the land value.  TurboTax does prompt users to enter the land value, and it will subtract it for you, so hopefully that's already correct as long as you had the right values to enter for that.  County tax appraisal information is an acceptable way to find out the ratio of the land value to the improvement (building) value, and then you can multiply the original purchase price by that ratio to get a reasonable estimate of the land and improvement values.  You can also add costs for any significant improvements that you've made since you bought it if you have records of that.  When you enter all that info for the basis, be sure that the software is depreciating it from the date it's in service as a rental (not your original purchase date). 

The renovations to get it ready may be considered repairs or improvements, and those are handled differently depending on if it's a repair or an improvement.  Improvements would generally have to be depreciated, except improvements under $2,500 can be expensed in the current year if you make the "de minimis election" on the return. But you still can't expense costs that are made before the date the property is available for rent... But then there's an exception to that where you can expense up to $5,000 in startup costs that happened before it is available for rent (additional startup costs above that amount have to be amortized).  And really, you may not actually want to try to expense things in the first year anyway because you likely will just end up with a passive loss that you can't use this year anyway, unless you qualify for one of the exceptions to that. 

If that sounds complicated, that's because it is, and it's hard to summarize all the specifics of how to best handle that in a forum post.  That's sort of a rough overview, but I'm still glossing over a lot of details.


 I agree, just didn't articulate that well.  Thanks for the correction.

Post: Beginner tax question

Christian BlockPosted
  • Accountant
  • Redmond, WA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 12

 There is a lot to unpack here.  Lets start with the repair expenses.  Certain repairs can be expensed, but only if the property is placed in service, which, in rental real estate, is typically when the property is finished and placed on the market.  If these repairs where completed to get the house ready to rent prior to listing, they probably need to be capitalized and depreciated.

Where you report the activity will depend on the type of rental.  Are you providing substantial services (such as a bed and breakfast)?  Or does it qualify as a short term rental?  Then you probably need to report on Schedule C.  If not, the activity will likely need to be reported on Schedule E.

The cost basis of the property will be your initial purchase price, plus any improvements you've made prior to turning it into a rental.  And then possibly the repairs add to this, depending on my first point above.

If possible, try requesting a W9 from your contractor so you can determine if you need to send them a 1099.

Post: Dissolving Partnership & Converting to S-corp

Christian BlockPosted
  • Accountant
  • Redmond, WA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 12

Agree with the above, you would first want to look at the partnership agreement. If it is a two member partnership, and one partner assumes all of the ownership, the LLC would continue to operate a disregarded entity. If the LLC owner is an eligible S Corporation shareholder, then yes, you can probably make an election to be taxed as an S Corporation.

Partnerships are complicated, and you would want to seek advice from a CPA well versed in partnership taxation.  And since this is a real estate forum, you should be cautious and know the ramifications of contributing real property to a corporation.
 

Post: Business vehicle depreciation write off?

Christian BlockPosted
  • Accountant
  • Redmond, WA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 12

It sounds like it's possible the business hasn't started yet, short of registering the LLC. Identifying start dates is often a point of litigation between taxpayers and the IRS. Generally, the start date is the point when the business begins functioning as a going concern and conducts business for which it was designed. If you are building a house on the lot to start a residential rental real estate business, your business might not start until the house is placed in service.

Also, you want to be careful deducting auto expenses, and certainly want to keep a log to track your business mileage.

Post: Cost Seg, price.

Christian BlockPosted
  • Accountant
  • Redmond, WA
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 12
Quote from @Michael Plaks:
Quote from @Susie C.:

'You can't do an online cost seg unless it is new and put in service for the current year, not for prior years. You would need to go through a cost seg company and get an official report since they would also prepare the form 3115 that we include with the tax return. We cannot do the cost seg or do your taxes without that form. I sent you to the Cost Segregation Authority they are who we work with the most, but you are free to use anyone you wish, so long as they also prepare the 3115 in addition to the cost seg report, which you need for that particular property since it was placed in service back in 2019.'

Their answer can be misleading. Yes, you will need to prepare Form 3115 along with the related calculations, incorporate it into your tax return and file it in a rather weird way (must be sent to two places.) 

However - this is NOT part of cost segregation study. It is a step AFTER cost segregation study. It is the same step whether you use a full-service cost seg company or a DIY website like KBKG.

Normally, 3115 is a job for your accountant. Some (not all) full-service cost seg companies include preparing Form 3115 with their package. Some do it well, and some mess it up. I had to redo a few of them for my clients.

Finally -  "It’s fairly common and most CPA’s should be familiar with how to do this" - is not the reality. The form itself, and especially the calculation of that "481a adjustment" are complex and confusing. Very few tax accountants have experience doing it, and I recommend choosing one who specializes in real estate and knows how to do it.

I should have specified that CPA’s who regularly work with or specialize in rental real estate should be familiar with preparing a change in accounting method. Especially if they have been around since the tangible property regs came out.