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All Forum Posts by: Chris R.

Chris R. has started 5 posts and replied 21 times.

Travel RN Investor here in Albany, NY interested in a similar concept. I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on what you've come up with at this point. I have a 4-plex and I would like to potentially market it as corporate furnished housing for medical professionals.

Chris

Originally posted by @Wayne Brooks:

Trying to characterize a loan as a gift, in order to hide it from a lender, doesn't line up with "your credibility being paramount...".

 My thoughts exactly. 

Originally posted by @Daniel Dietz:

@Chris R.

I am working on financing a few duplexs right now, and our local credit union has no problem letting us come in with only half of the down payment which is 20% from our own funds and doing a 2nd mortgage with a private lender for the other half of the 20% if we want to. He said there is no way to make it work with less than 10% 'skin in the game'. 

One other thought would be to form a partnership with whomever you were going to borrow those funds from. There are lots of threads here on BP about ways to do that which you could search.

Good Luck, Dan Dietz

 Thank you for your reply, Dan. I've read a ton about the partnership aspect of things and I see the massive value in that approach. Right now I'm trying to get a few small MFRs to call my own (call it learning the business first before I get myself a partner). 

I guess I'm really trying to get a sense on the appropriateness of this in terms of appearing honest or dishonest to a bank. Credibility and a solid track record is paramount to who I am as I build my future in this real estate endeavour. Creative Fnancing is thrown around a lot and the whole concept of other people's money but blending that with a bank seems like an artform to maintain a professional practice and image.

If a bank would deny me based on a private money loan for a down payment, can I structure the private funds in such a way that gets ne what I want? Maybe a gift of some sort?

Hello all,

Today I ask a hypothetical question. If I had a private money lender finance me on a downpayment of say $50,000 at 6% with agreed upon repayment terms,

(1) How and what do I tell the bank about how I got that money?

(2) What does the lender have to do to document it on theiir end?

It may be a gross over simplification of a situation but it's a potential way for me to purchase a 2nd multi family.

Thank you!

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Good morning,

I just got off the phone with my agent to discuss a property I found in my area. I just purchased a triplex and used FHA and now I'm left to be creative with the financing of my 2nd property i.e. I don't want to put 25% down. I asked him to find out if the property was owned free and clear because I wanted to offer the owner an opportunity to finance me without the bank.

My agent replied pretty quickly that seller financing was attractive back when interest rates were much higher but now since money is so cheap things are different. He sa8d beware of sellers interested in seller financing because it makes one wonder, "What are they hiding?" Can anyine shine some light on this thought? It seems like so many people, Brandon included, have used this strategy successfully. I don't know what I don't know and I am lookimg forward to your replies.

Thanks, as always!

Originally posted by @Dan Smith:

I bought a 3-fam with my fiancee in December 2015.  We live in Bradford, MA - this is considered a nicer part of Haverhill, so we can demand higher rents.  When I bought the house, there were tenants paying 850 on the first floor, 900 on the third floor, and the second floor was empty.  When I told everyone that I would be able to get more in rent, no one believed me and said I was making a horrible mistake.

Flash forward to now, we kicked the first floor out, renovated that and turned it into our unit. I now get 1,400/mo for my second floor (No renovations other than fresh paint on the wall) and 1,200/mo for the third floor (no renovations at all). Our purchase price was 373k and all in, our cost is 2,505/month, we went FHA, so a little over 300 of that is PMI. I have a calculator that I created to know when I'm at 20% equity so we can refi and change all that!

When we factor in our own monthly bills, we come out just about even each month, but I'm sure when I move out I can get 1,500-1,600/mo in positive cashflow.  You can definitely do it, you just need to make sure you're doing all the math and research appropriately.  

Let me know if you'd like to discuss anything further, I'm happy to provide thought processes:)

 Dan,

This is so nice to hear. My rents are also under market by about $200 haven't been raised since 2008. All 3 tenants are month to month consisitent long term tenants. I fight with myself about raising the rents to the extent you did and I question true market value. I am on craigslist and other sites constabtly comparing similarly located and maintained properties. 

Thabks for your reply, 1,600/mo in cash flow is ridiculous. Congratulations.

Originally posted by @Steve Bracero:

Hi @Chris R.

Congrats on closing the deal! I plan on purchasing a triplex and house hacking very soon. Keep in mind once you hit 20% equity you can refinance out of the FHA loan and save a good chunk monthly. 600/mo in cash flow! Wow that sounds like a great deal. If you don't mind me asking did you find your deals on the MLS or off market?

Steve, I was driving around the neighborhoods I wanted to be in and saw for sale sign being put up. I didn't get out or say anything. I drove around the corner and contacted my agent. The listing had just went up on MLS.

We scheduled a showing the next day and I made an offer 2 days later after the selling agent provided all of the actual monthly expenses (utilities,taxes,rent rolls etc.) for my calculations. My agent said that 11 showings had been scheduled the day I made my offer and I knew I'd be up against the all cash guys. I wrote a personal letter to the seller explaining my intent and future goals. I think the genuine interest I showed made the difference. 

The neighbrhood is a historically Italian community of SFH, and without being overly stereotypical, the lawns are all mowed, there are gardens and window boxes and American flags on every little house - pride of ownership. I mentioned in my letter that I promise to continue that tradition, which is certainly true. Offer accepted.

Thank you all for your thoughtful posts. I recently purchased a triplex (closing target date 9/20/16) and I'll be living on 1 of the 3 floors with my girlfriend. So that essentially kills -$1,050/mo temporarily.

While we are occupying the property:

Effective Income (2/3 units): $1,932/mo

Total Operating Expenses: $1,128/mo

Net Effective Income: $804/mo

PITI: $1,145/mo

Cash Flow: ($-341) ..not bad considering I've been paying $1,100/mo in empty rent checks. I'll most certainly be forwarding my savings towards property #2. I can't wait to refinance out of FHA and get rid of PMI ($180/mo!)

When we leave, it's a different story: $600/mo in cash flow. It's a nice neighborhood on upper Western Ave. in the Buckingham/Crestwood area and it was a requirement that the neighborhood be safe enough for my theoretical children to live there. The downside is that the returns are a bit lower but overall I think it's a great first property. More details to come after closing!

Hey, Everyone.

I am curious to know how many folks have or had a positive cash flow while house hacking? I understand that deal analysis is based on a fully rented scenario but I am just interested in how many people actually achieve getting paid to live in their property.

Thanks!