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All Forum Posts by: Chris Mason

Chris Mason has started 100 posts and replied 9561 times.

Post: conventional loan 5% down how many can you get ?

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I have heard that if you have a Fico score 780 you can qualify for a conventional loan for a primary home with 5% down my question  how many times can I qualify for %5 downs as long as I move into the property as primary ? every 12 months ?


 There's no limit. Since each one you sequentially buy will be a primary residence, even the Fannie Mae cap of 10 financed properties will not apply. I've had clients pick up a half dozen homes without ever putting more than 5% or 10% down or selling any of them.


 Did your clients move cities or have a valid reason for buying another primary with 5% down in the same city?

 It's a combination of things like new jobs, new home is closer to existing job, new home has a bigger yard for my dog, fiance and I broke up so now I don't need as much space, bla bla bla. Nine times in 10, the truth shall set you free, and real life contains sufficient true facts to make it work. 

FHA is the only time there are hard/fast requirements. That, and lots of refi-only loan officers don't know what they are doing, but have been forced to offer purchase mortgages because no one is refinancing, so they just regurgitate FHA rules as if they were applicable to conventional, because they do not know any better.

Post: 4-star mobile home park mortgage options, April 2024

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7/25, 10 years maturity:

Fixed interest rate for 7 years.

25 year amortization / payment schedule.

Balloon payment in 10 years. 

That part is normal for commercial mortgages; 5 year maturity is common, and 2019+5=2024 is why many are expecting offices to have a rough couple years.

Net operating income (NOI) is net profit before the mortgage payment, and determines how big of a mortgage you can get.

NOI / cap rate = sales price, and sales price x cap rate = NOI. If you can remember $1m <-> $60k <-> 6%, you can bounce between price, NOI, cap rate. NOI, and thus cap rate, feeds into how much of a down payment is required b/c it feeds into the "sizing" of the loan.

Many asset classes, like apartments and offices, have less than ideal in place cap rates today, so you need 35% or 50% down to buy them (unlike a DTI-based home loan, your personal W2 income cannot be used to significantly offset). Not so with many mobile home parks. The guy was expecting something like 40% down based on talking to other folks buying commercial real estate (not of the mobile home park variety), so was super happy with 25% down, and then I had bigger pockets open in my other browser tab, and here we are.

Post: 4-star mobile home park mortgage options, April 2024

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Just sent this over to a client, in place NOI yields a ~9% cap rate on this park, which of course feeds into making 75% LTV doable. All are at less than 1.5 points. Blacking out just enough so that the exact property can't be looked up. Note one of them is at 65% LTV.

Good hunting!

Post: MULTI-FAMILY Financing Advice

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Quote from @Michael Ellis:

Hey!

My partners and I have a property that would cash flow right when we buy it and of course there is potential to possibly almost double monthly rents. Sell price is 2 million so we would be putting 500k down. This property meets all the requirements our bank told us it needs to meet, but they are only willing to finance 600-700 thousand. It is the first time we are using this bank so I’m not sure if that’s the reason?

What advice do you have? Is this normal? Any ideas on creative financing?

 Reading between the lines, I sense heavy vacancy and/or significantly below market rents as it currently sits. So the property isn't yet ready for permanent debt. And on the other extreme, a hard money loan would be overkill, likely requiring vastly more than 25% down to boot.

Between those two extremes sits bridge financing. Typically interest only for a couple years, rate a little higher but i/o payment lower. These types of loans are approved based on a proforma and plausibility. Unlike the HML who in many cases would LOVE for you to be stuck with that trash rate long-term, the bridge loan will only be approved if they are convinced you will be able to reposition the property on the other side -- sell, or refi to perm debt.

If you are still looking to solve this problem, let me know if I can be of assistance.

Post: Historical chart of commercial real estate rates

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It depends on the type of loan. Is this a construction loan? FHA loan? conventional loan? By way of example, 9.5% is going to be the low end for construction financing. I've picked up from a few others on the forums the banks rely on the fed rate for their construction rate financing, and this seems to be where the rate currently exists.


It's conventional. The short term loan for rehab isn't a big deal, it's the general 15 year at 9.5% that I'm talking about. I don't see any historical charts for it. 

Also, some banks I've talked to require 30% of the balance to be held in their account. Alot of capital tied up when you include a 25% down. 


"Average" CRE mortgage rates aren't really relevant to a rehab loan. But what you are saying isn't crazy, "good" CRE mortgage rates, on stabilized assets, are about 3% less than what you are looking at.

Post: 13 home package

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Sum it up and run it as a single multifamily. Overhead/maintenance will be more expensive, make sure you factor that in.

Post: 570 W 4th Street, San Bernardino

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Some good suggestions already above. I like that property. 

Now that you own THAT building, at THAT location, it might be time to do the "networking fluff" associated with being a "pillar of the local community." Chamber of commerce and all that jazz. You will have a hard time NOT finding folks to fill the building if you start showing up to those sorts of things. 

Genius. I'm already a member of our local chamber. Maybe I should get my money's worth.. I'll show up to their next mixer! With flyers! Thank you!

Good, hope it works, I need you to fill it up and stabilize it for me to be able to slap permanent debt on it, when you're ready! 3 months of rent receipt from 7 out of 7 should do the trick if you want max leverage, 5 out of 7 would probably do the trick for low LTV as long as one of those 5 is the big unit. Chat with you in.... 4-6 months!

Post: 570 W 4th Street, San Bernardino

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Some good suggestions already above. I like that property. 

Now that you own THAT building, at THAT location, it might be time to do the "networking fluff" associated with being a "pillar of the local community." Chamber of commerce and all that jazz. You will have a hard time NOT finding folks to fill the building if you start showing up to those sorts of things. 

Post: Ideas on how to get started in multi family with $250,000

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I suspect you will have other answers that are a variant of specific information and tips.

One that is a little different that I'll toss out there: find someone that has done this before, that also has $250k+, that wants to be a mentor, and see if they will go in together with you. Each of you are putting in half of the down payment, but I'd consider agreeing to a 60/40 split of the net income in favor of them. Their expertise has value, they now have good skin in the game, and they will/should agree to share their thought process when they say "that's a good idea" or "that's a stupid idea." 

They will do things like say "I already have a great property manager in that area," and now for other deals, YOU ALSO have a great property manager in the area. And when plumbing services are needed, great, now YOU TOO know a great plumber in the area, and so on.

Post: 12% - 15% cap rates?

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Are they about to be put out of business by a new giant competitor? Why else would they sell so cheap? You are basically telling them they are running it perfectly and there’s no room for you to improve operations. I don’t know of anything threatening office for most overbuilt. But certainly storage has to be a strong number 2.


I’m not saying there can’t be any sellers at that rate, but find out why 1) they’r willing to sell so cheap and 2) someone else didn’t snap them up with the hundreds of mailers they’ve probably received over the last year or two. 


 I think the "convert all offices to apartments or condos!" is mostly a nothingburger b/c of all the extra 'stuff' you have to put in, to make that office space into residential. 

But as storage? Oh, yes, absolutely

That would be my concern. A lot of office buildings sitting at 30%+ vacancy will be "for sale" soon enough, and self-storage strikes me as among the easiest and most plausible conversion of all that surplus space for sale on the cheap. There goes that double digit cap rate, a few years from now.