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All Forum Posts by: Chris Hamrick

Chris Hamrick has started 4 posts and replied 13 times.

@Ryan Deasy It's a single family, we wish to not escrow taxes or insurance, no HOA, debt obligations $650/mo car note, personal mortgage $1414/mo. If you or whomever wants to message me a quote feel free!

@Andrew Postell The property just needs appliances and a deep clean as far as I can tell. So nope. No rehab! Hard Money is too expensive. Should be a simple transaction but these rates and fees we're finding are ridiculous for such a short span of time from our last deal (December 2021) We got 3.5% with .5 point on an investment property with 10% down and no escrowing of taxes and insurance! Now, the best we can get is 6.625 with 1 point and a $1,600 fee to not escrow and 20% down. 

Hey everyone, we were going with Meritrust with this property of interest. They're now reneging on rates, down payment, and want extra documents (1099's for pension and SS). Anyone can help us out?

Purchase price: $139,500

Appraised value: $250,000

Under contract: Yes

Credit Score: 770

Down payment: 20%

Income: $9,400/mo

Conventional Loan

Low DTI

Thanks!

Post: Financing A Property With No Running Water

Chris HamrickPosted
  • Washington DC
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 4

@Colleen F. Yeah, I figured that out. Did some research, but of course, I'd hire contractors for those jobs anyway. I just won't put the DIY repairs into the contract. Just the big ones. Since the units are old, I'll probably replace them anyway so I can keep more cash for any future investments.

Thanks again everyone. Going to be calling around today!

Post: Financing A Property With No Running Water

Chris HamrickPosted
  • Washington DC
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 4
Originally posted by @Charlie MacPherson:

@Chris Hamrick It sounds like some of the copper pipes may have been stolen.  Drug addicts do this quite often and sell the copper for scrap value so they can get their next fix.  If that's what happened, you might take a second look at the neighborhood crime stats.  You should also check to see if they stole any of the copper wiring.

Assuming you mean piped-in natural gas and not propane, be sure to contact the gas company to see what it takes to get the gas turned back on.  Most likely, just a pressure test, but you want to be sure.  Luckily natural gas pipes are normally iron, so not worth stealing.

No lender will fund a residential loan on a home without all of the major systems working, but you should be able to fund it with an FHA 203K renovation loan. Check with several mortgage brokers or local banks and ask if they handle these.

The 203K will fund both the acquisition and renovation costs at 96.5%.  $35,000 in renovation costs or less is done with a simpler "express" loan.  Above that is a little more complicated, but can still be done.

Good luck!

Charlie that is amazing advice! I forgot all about the 203k loan! And I checked the crime. Not one theft in over 12 months! The cut is clean and the two pieces match right up. It just looks like either someone sabotaged it do they could get it cheaper the solder failing doesn't seem possible as I couldn't even feel any around the cut. It's perfectly clean.

i had it inspected and the worse thing was that pipe being repaired and it's a quick and cheap fix. Unbelievable the VA won't just fix it!

and this house won't need near $35k so I hopefully would be in the clear there as well as long as it appraises. This will leave me with more cash albeit it s higher payment but not by much. Thanks again! I'll work on this tomorrow.

BTW, I hear with these loans I need to have contractors lined up. For the most part, I'll be doing the work myself save the furnace and having more outlets ran to the bedrooms. Do i have to have contractors lined up? Or will they accept me doing the work myself?

thanks again!

Post: Financing A Property With No Running Water

Chris HamrickPosted
  • Washington DC
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 4

Unfortunately the VA aren't the ones who had it winterized according to the seller agent. So they're no help. I have a name and his last name is unique, but in my personal search for him online hasn't yielded much. There seems to be only 2 people with this name in Kansas. One is in jail and the other I spoke to. So it might be the guy in jail unfortunately.

@Colleen F. This is my first time hearing about delayed financing. I'll look into it. As for family and friends... well, that's not possible. I have family and friends with plenty of money, they're just selfish and part of the reason they don't have more. The ARV is up in the air. It's a small town in Kansas and while I know I could rent it for about $1,000/mo; I'd estimate it being between 94-104K but a bank could (and I'd have to assume) they would disagree. Just not enough comps to really tell. I have a budget of 20K I can put into it and most of the work I can do myself. It doesn't need a ton. Most expensive things would be A/C unit and furnace if they weren't operational.

The reason for buying this house is so that I could focus more on generating my passive income without the strain of having to work a 9-5 while also running my business. In this home, I could focus on business and still have time for my wife and kids. 

Thank you for your suggestions though! They've been helpful!

Post: Financing A Property With No Running Water

Chris HamrickPosted
  • Washington DC
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 4

Hey everyone,

My wife and I want to buy a house out in Kansas. Good area, cheap properties. We found a property for $57K. Had it inspected and so far there's not a lot of work that needs to be done. However... the gas nor water was on. It looks like someone cut a copper pipe. It was winterized earlier this year, and now there's a pipe hanging, but it's a clean break which is weird.

I was told that no bank would finance this. One said they'd do it if they could get a report from the company/person who winterized it. We have his name but he left no number on the winterization notice. 

Anyone have any ideas on how I can get this financed? I have some cash, about 40K but I want to put out the least amount of money for financing to anticipate any repairs. There may be more plumbing issues, the furnace may not work, and since it was cool, we couldn't really test the A/C. So I don't want to be cash strapped and it need repairs. 

I thought about hard money, but we want to live in it. 

Any help will be greatly appreciated!

Post: Advice Buying A Auto Repair Shop

Chris HamrickPosted
  • Washington DC
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 4
Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:

@Chris Hamrick I have had to sign NDA to just get operating statements for apartment buildings. To ask for that for a business is completely reasonable. Business financials are very confidential and can harm a business if their customers or competition get their hands on it. 

Is this an auto collision repair center or mechanical repair shop? I think collision repair can be good business because of insurance work. The struggle on mechanical repair is non-warranty work can be a struggle. Do you have experience in the auto repair industry and is that why you are pursuing this type of business? 

 I understand asking for an NDA for those things. I just asked the guy for the cap rate, that was all. His literal response was, "Sign the NDA". That was it. He comes off rude and aloof which makes me not want to ask him anything because I think he's going to lie. It's a big deal, and my first commercial deal so I may be overthinking flags that are more orange than red.

Yes. It's a body shop, and I have experience in auto sales and repair. My business partner has 18 years experience in insurance adjusting and auto sales and repair. We decided to pass on this deal. For what we originally wanted, this shop is too big. More to manage than we'd like. The income was nice to come into, but for work/life balance and peace of mind, the extra stress of managing such a huge facility isn't worth it. Also, neither one of us knows how to do body work at all and in the event we need to hire... what are we going to do? We can't verify whether a person really knows their stuff or not; and we agree, auto repair isn't a stable business in our opinion.

Post: Advice Buying A Auto Repair Shop

Chris HamrickPosted
  • Washington DC
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 4
Originally posted by @Charles Carillo:

@Chris Hamrick

I saw "buying an auto repair shop" in the title and I wanted to add when purchasing commercial properties make sure to get a phase 1 environmental report...especially when you know there have been occupants that could have polluted the land; auto repair, dry cleaner etc.

This is invaluable information, thank you Charles! I have never purchased commercial property before and this is something I would've skipped in ignorance, thank you!

Post: Advice Buying A Auto Repair Shop

Chris HamrickPosted
  • Washington DC
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 4
Originally posted by @Greg Dickerson:
Originally posted by @Chris Hamrick:
Originally posted by @Greg Dickerson:

@Chris Hamrick  if the broker refuses to give you the numbers tell him you can always get it from the seller directly.

In terms of valuation of the business you need to separate the business purchase from the real estate.

 The business is going to be worth a multiple of the EBITDA based on averages in the area. Probably 3-5x for auto repair business.

The property value would be determined based on comps and or net operating income.

 To help vet the numbers you want to ask for all of the financials for the business, P&L, balance sheet and tax returns for the last three years minimum. Longer if available.

Also check reviews on line to gauge public perception and good will.

 Thanks Greg! 

Ironically the marketing material doesn't even mention the name of the business. I'm a decent sleuth so I found it based on one of the pictures. He's also acting like a tour isn't a possibility because his NDA is saying I can't communicate with any employees or the seller directly or indirectly. 

But I was looking at it that way, as 2 separate deals. I'm glad to read you say that because I was thinking lenders may think I'm being shady, but to me separating them just makes sense for valuation purposes and to structure a deal that makes sense for everyone. 

Now in terms of valuation... like I said, they're asking $15M. They SAY the gross income is a little over $6M annually. Now my business partner works as an insurance adjuster and he deals with shops all day and knows of one in the area that's half the size and grosses on average a little over $7M annually. It is in a busier part of the city however. If you say 3x's that, that makes the value around $18M for just the business alone. They're asking $8M for just the business itself and say that it nets $2M annually. 

The business has been there for 20 years so I would say it's stable. I checked the reviews online and they're average. Not great, not bad. I have plans to scale it by adding luxury/exotic car rentals and posting YouTube videos on cars that come into the shop and repairing them and getting another DRP with a prominent insurance company. 

Thanks for the advice! It helps a lot!

Gross income and EBITDA are two very different things. Valuation is based on EBITDA not gross income. 

Gross income is irrelevant as you can gross $30 million without making a profit or even loosing money. 

You have to get the financials to find out what the net income is not gross.  

Yes, I understand that. I was saying that they said the gross was around $6 million and the net was $2 million, but I'll get the financials before I believe anything a broker says. Thanks again!