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All Forum Posts by: Chirag Rathod

Chirag Rathod has started 3 posts and replied 13 times.

Hey Amadeusz,

The numbers make sense to add ADUs. It would be worth it we were to keep the property for more than 5 years. However, if we were to sell it say within 3 years, things might be different or might be in negative. The reason is that it's very difficult to fetch 1mn for an old home in Woodstock. 

Quote from @Abel Curiel:
Quote from @Chirag Rathod:

Hello everyone,

Me and my wife own a single detached bungalow (~1200 sq.ft) built in 1976 in Woodstock, ON. We have been living it for 2 years now. We purchased the house when the housing market was at its peak(high 700’s). We have 2 different entrances to get into our basement. The city of Woodstock has recently amended their by law that enables all the R1 zoning house to have 1 or 2 Additional residential units. We applied for a permit for 2 apartments in the basement (Unit 1:1 bed apartment & Unit 2: A 2 bed apartment )

The permit has been approved. We are also getting a forgiving loan of 30k for the duration of 10 years from the county for 1 unit if we rent out the 1-bed basement unit to a household with income less than 100k and at the rate defined by the city )(~1183+ utilities) for a 1 bed unit.

I think the 2 bed can easily be rented out for $1450 + utilities in our area.

About the basement: It's partially finished (drywalls and ceiling only) with no bathroom or kitchen.

Since it's a considerably smaller house, I am not sure if this would add significant value to the house if we sell it say 5 years down the line. We will be landlords for the first time in our life.

Estimates we are getting from the contractors to build in 2 legal units is between $110k-$150k. Given the scenario, does it make sense financially? My estimates say if I were to bring in the sub-trades myself I can get this project completed at about 80k.

Seeking feedback from the experts in the group here.

Thanks,

Chirag


 Hello Chirag!

This is an excellent question. Although I am not in your market, I would say this could be worth it if the comparable sales support it. I'd recommend looking at similar nearby properties that have sold with 1 or 2 adu's. The best comparables will be the most recent but if this type of property is uncommon in your market, you can go back as far as 9-12 months in your 'past-sale' search. A local RE professional should be able to provide this information to you as well.

In New York, we deal with this scenario frequently and oftentimes it does not make sense to legalize ADUs because the permit process is extremely lengthy, the cost is high (sometimes $150-300K for 1 ADU unit), and the potential increase in property valuable is not worth the risk.

If you already have an approved permit/plan and can get your renovation down to $80K, you may want to consider this project if the ARV is say north of $800K.

** You should also look into any potential property tax increases associated with this change. In some suburban counties here in NY, property taxes go up significantly when units are added to a property.

All the best!

Abel


 Hi Abel,

Thanks for your reply. ADU concept is kind of new to our city and the bylaw was passed in December 2023. So getting the comparables of similar properties sold might be difficult. But yeah, I agree even if I can get ARV of 800K, I think it might be worth it.

Hello everyone,

Me and my wife own a single detached bungalow (~1200 sq.ft) built in 1976 in Woodstock, ON. We have been living it for 2 years now. We purchased the house when the housing market was at its peak(high 700’s). We have 2 different entrances to get into our basement. The city of Woodstock has recently amended their by law that enables all the R1 zoning house to have 1 or 2 Additional residential units. We applied for a permit for 2 apartments in the basement (Unit 1:1 bed apartment & Unit 2: A 2 bed apartment )

The permit has been approved. We are also getting a forgiving loan of 30k for the duration of 10 years from the county for 1 unit if we rent out the 1-bed basement unit to a household with income less than 100k and at the rate defined by the city )(~1183+ utilities) for a 1 bed unit.

I think the 2 bed can easily be rented out for $1450 + utilities in our area.

About the basement: It's partially finished (drywalls and ceiling only) with no bathroom or kitchen.

Since it's a considerably smaller house, I am not sure if this would add significant value to the house if we sell it say 5 years down the line. We will be landlords for the first time in our life.

Estimates we are getting from the contractors to build in 2 legal units is between $110k-$150k. Given the scenario, does it make sense financially? My estimates say if I were to bring in the sub-trades myself I can get this project completed at about 80k.

Seeking feedback from the experts in the group here.

Thanks,

Chirag

Originally posted by @Ted Dalal:

@Chirag Rathod Just to clear out, since it looks like you don't own a property at this time, I would suggest that the first property can be bought as a principal residence with a 5% down and then if the plan is to buy a second property (after a year), that will also qualify for a 5% down payment with mortgage insurance.  Hit me up if you feel like having a one to one chit chat on the topic. 

 Hey Ted, No the plan is actually to buy the investment property first with 20% down and then look at buying a principal residence with 5% down. 


Originally posted by @Roy Cleeves:

@Chirag Rathod

Yes, they will allow you to do a 5% down on your primary home that you will live in if you meet the lender's qualifications.

Good Luck and Carry On Investing!

 Thanks a ton @Roy Cleeves.

@Roy Cleevesundefined

Hi there,

I am exploring the possibility that is it possible to buy an investment property with 20% down and then after sometime buy a house for own-self to stay in with 5% down. 

I am in Ontario, Canada. 

Thanks

Originally posted by @Nuno Barbosa:

@Chirag Rathod

Hey Chirag, Yes you would go through the local city to get a permit to add the 2nd suite. For the first one you want to be working with professionals who understand how the process works. 

I recommend you work with a local real estate agent in the city you're interested in. Make sure the agent also owns rentals and has done legal 2nd suites in the past. This way they will connect you with contractors and architects they have personally used and vetted. They will also know what houses to avoid when you are looking at houses.

Getting a permit from the city and doing a renovation can seem overwhelming but as long as you team up with the right people it's a fairly easy process. 

I have properties in Peterborough, Barrie and Uxbridge. If you are interested in any of these areas I can connect you with good people.

It would be great if you can help me connect with the individuals in those respective cities. Somehow, I feel Barrie & Uxbridge will be way over my budget :)

Originally posted by @Julie Toh:

@Chirag Rathod A couple of advice if you want to pull the trigger sooner rather than later. 

1. A minimum down payment (less than 20% down) mortgage is structured as your primary residence. To qualify for a larger loan in this situation, consider a property with a legal suite because the rent revenue counts as your income. 

2. Is your wife's new job a continuation of her career path? There is a way around the 3 month wait.

Hi @Julie Toh, Thanks for your suggestions.For the 1st one, I will keep that in mind. For 2nd one, my wife did not work formally before we migrated. I am not sure if it would work in this case. Thank you.

Originally posted by @Nuno Barbosa:

@Chirag Rathod 

Welcome to the wonderful world of REI, I'm a Toronto-based investor and have a few properties in Peterborough. I think it's a great market with a lot of room to grow. BTW great job on taking advantage of a low downpayment on your first house. If I could buy my rentals for 5% I'd be picking them up at a monthly rate.

I would avoid student rentals on your first one. They have high turnover and involve more work and wear and tear.

IMO I think the best entry-level rental strategize in Ontario is buying a single-family home and adding a legal 2nd suite to the basement. Its offers powerful cashflow and there are a lot of business/services that can help you with that. 

Have you checked with a good mortgage broker to double-check on your affordability? Just because one of the big banks said 450k doesn't mean it's your only option. There are a lot of lenders in Ontario. and a good mortgage broker will be able to connect you with them.

Thanks @Nuno Barbosa for your suggestions. The 450k amount is what I got from a mortgage broker, have not checked it with banks. I am not sure how does adding up additional suites to the single-family home works- Do I need to get permissions from the municipal corporation, is there any particular zoning the house should be in to tackle that, What kind of approximate costs are involved in building that since I am not sure if banks would give money for the renovation as well. Can you please share some insights on this? Once again: Thanks a ton for helping me out.

Originally posted by @Melanie Dupuis:

@Chirag Rathod Happy to hear you are interested in reak estate! Do you have your PR? Also Are you open to other places than what you mentioned? I am always curious as to why people are interested in doing a JV? If you coul buy it on your own with other peoples money, would you rather that?

@Melanie Dupuis: Yes I have my PR. I will be open to considering other places as well. The reason why people are interested in JV is that at times, some good properties might need additional funds which can be taken care of with a JV. For me personally, if I can buy it directly with my money, nothing like it.