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All Forum Posts by: Chinedu Akunne

Chinedu Akunne has started 2 posts and replied 14 times.

Post: Pay to split water meter? Or Surcharge tenants?

Chinedu AkunnePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Alexandria, LA
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Lamontis Gardner:

Hey, did you ever split the meters? If so, how did it go and how did your tenants respond to it?

I did man! It went really well. It increased cashflow, without increasing rents. Although, I almost wish I didn't do it, because I'm converting them all to short term rentals. And I'm back to paying all the bills (water including). 

The good thing is, if I ever sell, it would be a great selling point to future investors.

Post: 10 doors bought or sold in 7 months

Chinedu AkunnePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Alexandria, LA
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 2

@Guy Yoes

My pleasure, Sir!

It all starts upstairs (Higher Power, and your mental alignment), then the physical manifestation.

Keep kicking butt! You'll crush the last two. Update us how it plays out.

Cheers!

Post: Struggling to rent Duplex unit

Chinedu AkunnePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Alexandria, LA
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 2

@Brian Morreale

First, congrats on your purchase! 

I have tried a combination of @Andrew Gingerich@Ola Dantis and @Gennaro Coscia; keeping standards, and offering move-in specials. Keep in mind, you can return the rents to market, upon next lease renewal. Tenant may be less inclined to move then.

All the best!

Post: 10 doors bought or sold in 7 months

Chinedu AkunnePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Alexandria, LA
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Guy Yoes:

@Dennis M.

Thank you! I struggled the first 5 years. Paid my dues and learned so much. Again, a shout out to the BP family. People are so willing to help and more often than not, their advice and comments are spot on.

I like that you mentioned the 5-year struggle. Lots try to skip that 10k hours/due paying/learning phase. Only through the specific knowledge you gained from paying your dues, did you learn to recognize home-runs. 

Big Congrats, Guy!

Post: Pay to split water meter? Or Surcharge tenants?

Chinedu AkunnePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Alexandria, LA
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @James Maness:

I had the same issue initially when I bought a 4-plex. But I asked the owner to complete the meter installation. I believe that the tennants have more skin in the game when they pay the water bill. I know it is a large expense, but it pays off in the end.

Thanks a lot, James! I'm definitely doing it! Starting the process middle of March, to avoid the "winter drought", in case tenants decide to move

Post: Pay to split water meter? Or Surcharge tenants?

Chinedu AkunnePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Alexandria, LA
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Jill F.:

In my market, it would be hard to charge water on a 5-unit. Tenants here in those types of properties expect water,sewer,trash to be included. I am installing sub-meters with remote readers from flows.com for my duplexes where it is possible to pass along water and trash costs. The meters + readers cost about 170.00 and my plumber charges 150 for the install. My handy man reads the meters every month. There is an option for a gateway system that can upload data from up to 32 units to the internet for about $1000 with a 50/year data fee. I'll probably eventually go that route. The guys at flows.com were VERY helpful in going over my options (I have no affiliation with the company other than as a customer).

Wow! Never considered that. Thanks! But, hmmm...

How do you then pass the cost along, if they expect it to be included? Also, won't it be more efficient for the utility company to handle that; passing that liability/headache to them as well?

Post: Pay to split water meter? Or Surcharge tenants?

Chinedu AkunnePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Alexandria, LA
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Mike McCarthy:

I’d have no issue charging the tenants an extra $50 for water/sewer/trash. I would make sure that it’s a bit less than I’m paying, so you can honestly say that they are getting a deal, and if it ever came up legally, it’s clear that you’re not trying to fleece them on extra ‘fees’. (Not sure there’s any precedence for that, but don’t want to find out either)

Maybe let them know that you realize it’s a change, so you’ll do $25/mo in 60 days, and $50 in 90. So it is easier to work into.

Haha! I'm with you. I would not want to find out either.

I do like the idea, and may be able to do a hybrid of your option (we'll call it option E), and option B.

Thanks a lot, Mike!

Post: Pay to split water meter? Or Surcharge tenants?

Chinedu AkunnePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Alexandria, LA
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Milton Rivera:

@Chinedu Akunne

Overall, I would still do the same in a quad.  You are transferring the risk to the tenant and hold them accountable for their on utility consumption.  You may also want to consider what are other apartments are doing in the area.  Any new construction is going to be metered unless it is a 55+ community where tenants want convenience.   

I would not necessarily provide a credit.  Consider doing the work when you may have one or two units vacant so that you make it part of the turnover process and possibly inconvenience fewer tenants.   The more notice/time they have, the more time they have to get ready for the event and cannot claim it as a surprise.  If you have an average credit score most utility companies do not require a deposit. 

 Risk transfer, and accountability are the two selling points for me. Thanks!

For some reason, my city doesn't even do a credit check. I've always paid a deposit. Then when I move, they prorate the last bill, and send me the balance. It used to be about $140. Hence, why I'm considering the discounted rent. Or maybe I'm too nice/tenant conscious...

Post: Pay to split water meter? Or Surcharge tenants?

Chinedu AkunnePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Alexandria, LA
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Thomas S.:

I would purchase and install meters if there was a financial upside regardless of the number of units but only if I was not able to find a good enough deal on a property that already had separate meters. Purchasing a property that is metered is prefered over spending capitol after a purchase.  

If Louisiana allows a new landlord to immediately impose a new lease that is rare, and you are lucky. I would advise using only M2M leases to enable you to stay in control of your investment.

Awesome Stuff! Thanks Thomas!

I'll add value, by separating the meters. Enjoy the cashflow now, and have it ready for the next investor...later on down the line, if need be.

Will definitely keep the M2M in mind going forward

Post: Pay to split water meter? Or Surcharge tenants?

Chinedu AkunnePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Alexandria, LA
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Thomas S.:

My preference would always be option D, not buy the property.

Assuming you are adding value my second choice would be to install the separate meters. You will need to confirm with your state regulations as to whether you will need to wait till the end of a tenants lease to change billings or require they put utilities in their name. You can not usually change anything during the term of a existing lease. Hopefully they are all on M2M. 

Haha! @ option D...

Thanks for your wise words! Would it still be option D, if the property was already cash flowing, and that minor tweak could generate more?

Also, to my knowledge, new owner can opt to have a new lease. Unless, that's just in Louisiana.

Thanks again!