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All Forum Posts by: Charles Cho

Charles Cho has started 1 posts and replied 8 times.

Post: Starting in San Diego, feasible or crazy?

Charles ChoPosted
  • La Jolla, CA
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Something close to this would be ideal for me except I would be very willing to up the amount of repairs needed for that forced equity.  I also heard, however, that an apartment with new appliances and cabinets rents for ~ the same as one with the newest appliance and upgraded cabinets; the only difference being the time that it take to get picked up by a renter.

http://duplexsandiego.com/san-diego-duplex-to-live...

Post: Starting in San Diego, feasible or crazy?

Charles ChoPosted
  • La Jolla, CA
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I've heard a bit about high and low cap markets such as the comparison between San Diego and the South.  It is true that it is much easier to "force" equity in the San Diego area due it being a higher cap market?

Post: Starting in San Diego, feasible or crazy?

Charles ChoPosted
  • La Jolla, CA
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Originally posted by @Amit M.:

1- your in initial idea with the duplex in San Diego is a good one. You may not be able to live rent free, but you will be able to live there for: less than a SFH and less then the unit would rent out for. So it's a great way to start out in REI.

2- the 2% rule is stupid, especially in Cali, it makes no sense and is deceptive. Have fun reading this about it here!

http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/311/topics/193...

And if you have more time on your hands, this is an educational thread on cash flow vs appreciation:

http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/432/topics/146...

Can you explain to me how and why a SFH is comparatively more expensive than a duplex? Let's just say:

4 br 2 bath; SFR 2,000 sq ft

2 br 1 bath; 2 1000 sq ft unit duplex 

You're saying that the single family residence in going to be more expensive and have less rent potential however it will have a better appreciate rate?

So are you saying that instead of basing your search on 2% returns, try to look for properties that will appreciate instead?  For your investments, what is the criteria that you use to estimate a good deal?  What do you think about investing in a low cost property in the South instead? 

For example:

$69,000 property with 4 units

Gross income at ~$1,400

30 year mortgage with 25% down ~$250

I'm trying to decide between quality and quantity.    

Post: Starting in San Diego, feasible or crazy?

Charles ChoPosted
  • La Jolla, CA
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Originally posted by @Tim G.:

Its not easy but it can be feasible. Depending on a lot of factors, BUT following universal rules for very specific markets will not work. This isn't black jack where the rules always statistically work. Its more like poker, where you have to adapt to what is at the table with you. 

I got started here three years ago, I own a house and a fourplex. The fourplex is in Ramona and meets the 1% rule, but it took some work to find and its a remote part of the county. 

The house is also outside of San Diego but in a great area. I rent a room out and have expenses under $1000 a month there. 

So it can work, there are two examples where it has. In San Diego County. I should add, it took me two years of learning and working to find both of these deals. So, be patient study up and figure out what best suits your personal situation. 

So between SFR and the duplex, which makes the most in rent comparative to square feet being occupied? Could you explain some of the factors involved in your specific decision to buy both properties? What connections did you make that proved the most useful in finding your properties?

Post: Starting in San Diego, feasible or crazy?

Charles ChoPosted
  • La Jolla, CA
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Originally posted by @Bruce May:

@Charles Cho the bulk or REO/foreclosures and short sales are gone in San Diego county. That said you might still find one here and there but when you do there tends to be a lot of investors who have also found the property and will bid up the price to an unrealistic amount for an investment.

Your idea of buying a SFH to live in and fix up is a good idea. If you work with a Realtor you will probably find a few homes in the area of your choice that have been sitting a while because they are outdated and could use your modern vision. In a home like this you could also rent out a room or two while you are doing your renovations and this will help offset your mortgage expense.

You are not likely to find a duplex in San Diego county at or under $400,000 unless it's in "D" or "F" class neighborhood or in a remote area of the county.

Is it true that SFHs are more expensive comparatively per square foot to duplexes? I'm thinking about trying to utilize my FHA loan to the highest mortgage amount I am would be able to get approval for. Though I understand that SFHs are usually what many investors start out with, if I really want to use my FHA loan to it's highest potential, I would like to buy a duplex that I could sit on for a long time without having to deal with roommates throughout.

Post: Starting in San Diego, feasible or crazy?

Charles ChoPosted
  • La Jolla, CA
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Originally posted by @Brian P.:

Well the first big problem you are going to run into is finding a seller who will sell at a price that you can rent out one side and live in the other for free. That would be one great find. That is like the owner selling one property to you and giving you another property free.  

What you normally have is the situation where the one side helps subsidize the other side (owner)to a small degree, especially in the high price coastal areas of California. Not until rents have risen enough from the date you buy it will you see any sizable relief.

 I was looking at some short sales which force the owner to sell at such a price and also some foreclosures but I have heard that they are much more complex deals and not for beginners; is that true for both short sales and foreclosures?

So in your opinion, would flipping a SFR be a better deal than trying to buy a duplex and getting subsidized on rent?

Post: Starting in San Diego, feasible or crazy?

Charles ChoPosted
  • La Jolla, CA
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Originally posted by @Phillip Syrios:

Feasible or Crazy? Why not both? :)

Im sure there are good investments, probably mostly flips. I don't know the market well at all but being one of the most expensive markets in America I think its going to hard to find a duplex for $400K that rents for for $4,000 a side, but again I don't know San Diego.

 So you're saying that because the rate of appreciate is very high, the amount of rent is low comparative to the value of the home?  So if most of the deals are going to be in flips, would it be better to buy a single family home then renovate it?  Honestly I would rather buy a property with a low appreciation rate but a higher rent rate which ~means to me lower risk and steady income.  How does investing in better markets like Memphis and Atlanta and buying a $30,000 duplex sound?

Post: Starting in San Diego, feasible or crazy?

Charles ChoPosted
  • La Jolla, CA
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Ideally I would love to get a fixer-upper duplex that I would be able to live in rent free while still keeping a full time job.  Are there any properties that are under 400K and that follow the 2% rule?