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All Forum Posts by: Charles Craggett

Charles Craggett has started 4 posts and replied 39 times.

Post: Full Time VS Part Time: Who's doing what?

Charles CraggettPosted
  • Cleveland, Oh
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 13

As a new investor, I am doing this part time while I am finishing graduate school and working a job. I have aligned myself with a few full time investors who are guiding me in the realm of wholesaling, marketing, and eventually purchasing my first buy and hold investment. I am absorbing a lot, and get to see the benefits and freedoms that real estate can provide. I also still enjoy the consistency of a full-time paycheck while I learn. However, when it comes to leads, sales, marketing, and things of the like...My partner, a full time investor, manages to kill me at every turn. I'll find a lead, he's seen it twice. I'll call a buyer, he's conversed with him already. However, what happens is that at the end of the day...I realize there are pros and cons to both of our approaches as relatively new investors. And that really your choice in real estate investing....boils down to how you feel about risk. I am not averse to risk. But as it stands now, I don't have the fortitude to up and quit my job and pursue this full time yet. My partner however, has that fortitude and dove right in to pursue his dream. We both made around the same amount of income this year, but what was truly gained was individual happiness and experience. For me, it was learning about new ways to add income to myself and provide a better life for my family. For him, it was about the freedom to get back what he puts in. 

I post this only to say that I am learning that there is no "Right" or "Wrong" approach to real estate investing. Even venturing SLIGHTLY outside of your comfort zone sets you apart from the masses. If you are comfortable at your job and would like to invest part time....you are still doing far better than the person who is simply "comfortable at his job". If you are a risk taker and want to dive right in, then you are leaps and bounds ahead of the game and will likely see large amounts of success in the future. 

Happy investing. 

Post: Turnkey. Am I a wussy?

Charles CraggettPosted
  • Cleveland, Oh
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 13
Originally posted by @Tony Velez:

Am I a wussy for thinking turnkey for my first real estate investor?  Be honest I can take it. 😊

Thanks

Tony V

 Do what makes you feel comfortable man. Its your money on the table not theirs! =)

Post: Kansas City, Kansas Area

Charles CraggettPosted
  • Cleveland, Oh
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 13
Originally posted by @Brady Hanna:

For those of you that buy and hold houses in Kansas City, Kansas, what areas of KCK do you invest in?  I have only invested in the Missouri side so far as that is the area that I am familiar with.  What areas in KCK would you say are similar to Grandview/South KC in terms of neighborhoods/streets?

I would like to start investing there, but want to make sure I am staying out of the war zones and investing in decent C neighborhoods.

Thanks in Advance!

 I recently got access to some off market cashflowing rentals in the Kansas City area. I am learning the area myself. Seems like a decent place to buy and hold although deals maybe a bit tricky to find. But we are savvy investors on BP we can overcome anything :) anyway if you would like to take a look at my property list drop me a line. Happy investing.

Post: Kansas City

Charles CraggettPosted
  • Cleveland, Oh
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 13
Originally posted by @Kathryn S.:

When I first started learning about real estate investing I thought that Lawrence, KS (my college town) was the perfect place for me to invest. I know the area well, I have family living there, and I can afford properties in the area.

Lawrence doesn't seem like a bad place to invest -- I have already identified a few properties that I think could make me a decent cash flow, but I've seen a lot of discussion about Kansas City, MO being a good place to invest on this blog. I decided to look into KC. It looks like there are some great deals there to me, but I'm nervous about investing in an area I don't know as well -- and getting myself into a sketchy area.

Any one out there have advice on where I should go? Any reason KC, MO is better than KC, KS? What about the surrounding areas? If anyone knows anything about Lawrence, that would be great too!

For context -- I live in west LA, and I'm looking to buy a multifamily property that I don't have to do much (if any) work to.

Thanks in advance for your help, BP friends :) 

 From what I am to understand the market is saturated...BUT wholesalers and things of the like can help with that. I actually have access to some off market rental properties in the kansas city area if you are interested drop me a line! Happy Investing.

Post: Kansas City

Charles CraggettPosted
  • Cleveland, Oh
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 13
Originally posted by @Philip Charlton:

Hi 

I am Philip Charlton I am new to Bigger Pockets plus I am Aussie investor. My Plan is to get into the multi family units but need to start small have been show a few properties in Kansas City. What is Kansas like, is it a good area to look at investing? Is there bad areas to stay away from?

Any info, help, if there are investor looking to partner with an Aussie I am very keen to engage.

Look forward to hearing.

Have a great day

Philip Charlton

 I actually have access to some off market rental properties in the Kansas City Area. I will definitely be in touch.

Post: Cleveland/Detroit house flipping?

Charles CraggettPosted
  • Cleveland, Oh
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 13
Originally posted by @Kyle Steele:

My husband and I have some money we are looking to invest. We have been considering buying and flipping a house in Cleveland or Detroit area. We really have no experience in this and aren't sure where to start. We are from Utah but living in Cleveland for the next 4 months. Anyone have any advice on what our first step might be?

 I agree with everyone here. I am a Cleveland resident and I plan to buy and hold in Cleveland while doing my flips in places like strongsville, avon lake, beachwood, and westlake.

Originally posted by @Alex Applebee:

I closed escrow on the sale of my very first flip back in January. Craziness of life got in the way and I never got around to posting about it here. However, I figured it was time. I SERIOUSLY credit BP for some of the success here. I probably could not have made it happen without this site and J Scott's book. I have not been a very active poster (which I am trying to remedy!), however I have spent a lot of time on here reading and absorbing everything I could. 

The process of the deal and the steps to get there were a long one, starting at the end of 2013 getting my real estate license. I did this just so that I could get MLS access and the freedom to run my own comps and look at properties on my own schedule. Saving 6% is great too.

So my flip was financed through a private loan at 6%. I purchased a 1,580 sqft 2/1 fannie mae foreclosure, built in 1948 in Phoenix. I'm (or, was when this started) a 26 year old woman who knew nothing about construction. No pressure. I converted the house into a 3/2. Re-did basically everything except the roof. Including the framing of a master suite and bathroom in the existing footprint of the house. I sure jumped in with both feet, ha.

Did I make mistakes? YES. Did I overspend? PROBABLY. Was it perfect? NO. I would do so many things on this project differently the second time around. But I am SO glad I did it, and made it happen. You can read all you want, but you just don't know until you are in the middle of the process (wanting to cry, pull your hair out, sweating profusely because it is phoenix in the summertime and 116 degrees and what were you thinking flipping a house?!) that is when you learn what you are made of, toughen up, get creative, and get it done. Whatever you think you know about getting it done, you just don't know until you do it.

The toughest part was learning to manage subcontractors. I did not use a general contractor. I definitely got taken advantage of twice. This was expensive, and I was NOT happy about having to pay someone to rip out and fix crap work. However I needed to learn that lesson. Now my paperwork is tight and my tolerance for their BS is non existent. 

I purchased the property for $104,000. Sold the property for $210,000. Before you get too excited, my profit was only $19,000 after expenses, holding costs, closing costs, and getting ripped off by subs. HOWEVER this was my FIRST deal, and I did it all alone. Start to finish took me 6 months. So this project took longer than I thought, cost more than I thought, but I still made money, because I bought right. You really make your money upfront. Here are a few photos, and at some point maybe I'll come write a more detailed post of the highs and low of this experience and add some more pictures. Still, go out there and make it happen, if I can do it, you can do it. I did a second property in Scottsdale and now I've moved back to California and I hope I can get something big rolling.

Before: Don't be fooled by the "rock" exterior. It was plastic and cracked all over and hideous in person.

Nice A/C duct work there, though an open window. Pretty Fancy.

ok the couch looks hideous. It was all I had! I did just give it away, I wont stage with it again I promise, lol.

The former kitchen opened to a giant empty room in the back, that you accessed by walking into a large closet?? I sold the retro oven.

 GREAT JOB! I am preparing for my first flip now. I am very excited. I hope I have a success story for you soon.

Post: What no one says about using OPM (other people's money)

Charles CraggettPosted
  • Cleveland, Oh
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 13
Originally posted by @Ron Thomas:

If you read real estate investment books, articles on BP, listen to podcasts or just generally find yourself learning about real estate investment then you will notice a common thing that is almost invariably mentioned, the use of other people’s money. A term so frequently referenced that it even has it’s own acronym, ‘OPM’.

It’s a simple, brilliant concept really. Basically you fund most, if not all, of a given venture with funds that don’t actually belong to you. Some of the often cited benefits include less personal money out of pocket, the ability to leverage more assets then you otherwise could, potential increased returns for yourself, ect… Gratuitous amounts of ink have been expended in many ‘how to’ style real estate books about the art of asking for money from others. You are supposed to present your deal as an opportunity, as opposed to a financial favor. You can motivate potential investors by creating a veneer of ‘act now or you might miss out’. The list could go on for a while.

This is all well and good but its only half of the story, and the less important half at that. I don't think that I have ever read one chapter, blog post or even word about the responsibility you take on when investing with money that is not your own. This silence is deafening and feels profoundly misguided. If I were approached by someone asking me to part with my funds for thier project the very first, and I mean VERY first thing I'd want to know is if this person takes seriously the responsibility implicit in what they are asking of me. I wouldn't ask them this, its hard to imagine an answer other than 'absolutely'. Rather, I'd let their knowledge (or lack thereof) inform my assessment. Sure, I'd want to know the basics of the investment. I'd want to know the IRR for myself and any other partners, whether or not the person asking for money actually has any skin in the game, the plausibility of any forecasts or pro-forma details, the background of the person asking for money, ect…. These details, taken as a whole, can begin to offer clues as to whether or not those with a hand out respect the responsibility they are asking to carry when suggesting that you part with your dollars upon their request. For example, someone could present to me an investment with very attractive pro forma returns but, if the predictions include rent increases beyond what evidence supports, I would question whether this person takes their responsibility seriously. Sure, they may have crunched the numbers on an offering memorandum, but have they bothered to learn what is behind those numbers and why? Does this knowledge blind spot suggest a lack of respect for what they are attempting to undertake?

The real estate entrepreneur is someone whom must posses a great deal of knowledge and expertise to reasonably asses what their projects are likely to return, in the real world. Foregoing this necessary learning process and jumping right to the part of asking others for capital is not only risky to everyone involved, its also an obvious rookie move to the seasoned investor.  You're not going to get turned down because the investor misunderstand the opportunity presented, you're going to get turned down because you misunderstand what you are asking for....unjustified trust.

I write this because its personal to me. I’ve been a student of real estate for a long time, I’ve assembled a portfolio of a dozen houses that performs pretty darn well, I’ve studied economics at the university level and ran a business basically my entire adult life. Not too long ago it occurred to me that I want to really begin to grow in real estate. There is obvious and large opportunity for those that play the game well. It seems like a fun, challenging industry that requires a breadth of knowledge and rewards those who put forth the necessary effort. But another thing occurred to me as well. I didn’t yet feel comfortable enough with my own knowledge to ask other people to allow me to take risks with their hard earned cash. I’ll bet I could have pretty easily persuaded any number of people I know to invest with me in whatever projects I wanted to put together. I’m fortunate in the sense that I think I have a reputation, among some people that know me well, as someone who is trustworthy enough to invest with. BUT, despite my desire to get started, I chose to put on the brakes and educate myself, to forego possible short-term paydays in favor of long-term risk mitigation. I think I’m now, after much preparation, nearly ready to started.  Any unrealized profits I could have made in the meanwhile notwithstanding, I'm very happy to have made the decision I did.  

Nuance, planning and knowledge form the backbone of any investment. It worries me to see so much about how great OPM is and yet so little about how important it is to actually know what you’re doing before you ring up your friends and family with a hand out. The people who you ask for money likely spent their finite time on this earth earning what you are asking for. Don’t take their time or money for granted.

Bad deals chase capital, but capital chases good deals.  Truly good investments do not require great sales techniques.  I'd contend that your time is better spent learning what makes a great deal than learning how to persuade others to fund a mediocre one.  If you think using OPM is a great way to rake in cash, you’re in plentiful company. If you truly respect the very real responsibility in doing so, however, it appears you may be a needle in a haystack. 

 As I prepare to engage in my first fix and flip investment my thought process is very much in line with you. Leverage is a great thing. And that is what OPM provides. HOWEVER, we must educate ourselves and truly understand the implications should the investment or project fail. good post.

Post: Preparing for my first flip.

Charles CraggettPosted
  • Cleveland, Oh
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 13

I have been looking for lenders, researching the Cleveland, Ohio markets and Now I believe that I am just about ready to attempt my first fix and flip. I am calling on my biggerpockets family for advice, connections, stories, and general motivation. Got anything for a first timer?

Post: Kansas City

Charles CraggettPosted
  • Cleveland, Oh
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 13
Originally posted by @Philip Charlton:

Hi 

I am Philip Charlton I am new to Bigger Pockets plus I am Aussie investor. My Plan is to get into the multi family units but need to start small have been show a few properties in Kansas City. What is Kansas like, is it a good area to look at investing? Is there bad areas to stay away from?

Any info, help, if there are investor looking to partner with an Aussie I am very keen to engage.

Look forward to hearing.

Have a great day

Philip Charlton

 Hi Philip! My name is Charles. I am based in Cleveland, Ohio (Another good spot to own rental property by the way.) I am a wholesaler and as it stands I have access to a few turnkey, cashflowing single family properties in the Kansas City area as well as other cities in the Midwest. Lets connect. And if you ever spark an interest in Cleveland drop me a line! 

Cheers