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All Forum Posts by: Chad G.

Chad G. has started 13 posts and replied 65 times.

Post: Does Oklahoma really have the highest insurance in the nation?

Chad G.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Bradenton, FL
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 15

I live in FL and have properties in OK. The properties in OK, which are roughly 30-40% smaller than my personal residence are only about $400-$600 cheaper than my FL insurance. That is to say, OK insurance is pretty darn expensive. 

Post: Moving to Seacoast Region

Chad G.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Bradenton, FL
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 15

No, we moved to FL instead.

If you need an agent, this is who we met with when we were visiting the area:

Chris Sittig
Keller Williams Coastal Realty
750 Lafayette Rd Suite 201
Portsmouth, NH 03801
O:603-610-8500
C: 603-496-5969

Post: Stessa Pro -- Pay for features

Chad G.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Bradenton, FL
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 15

I switched to QB for doing my taxes because the Stessa financial reports required manual work after the fact due to Stessa not being a true double-entry accounting software. I get QB online for a discount from my accountant plus they then have direct access to see everything and/or fix things. I just happened to log in to Stessa for some reason the other day and noticed previously free features (e.g. pro forma) are behind a paywall now. That's a questionable business practice, but even worse is that they didn't notify us long-time users before the change. If they just made it into double-entry software I likely would have paid for it, but now I doubt I would.

Post: Don't be like Citibank

Chad G.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Bradenton, FL
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 15

I am always extra cautious when wiring funds for a real estate transaction. This is a good example of why it's important to double check those numbers before hitting submit on a wire transfer. 

Also, someone is sweating bullets right now if not already fired...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/18/investing/citibank-sues-brigade-capital/index.html?

Post: Payoff a Vehicle or buy another rental!?

Chad G.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Bradenton, FL
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 15
Originally posted by @Tony Kim:
Originally posted by @Chad G.:
Originally posted by @Tony Kim:
Originally posted by @Chad G.:

I don't disagree with your first paragraph, but to be honest, I really don't see how it differs...or even opposes what I said. You're just saying that when evaluating your DTI, make sure it's accurate. Well of course! That goes without saying!

I agree that we use very different ways to calculating the utility of money. In Finance and Accounting...we also have a saying. The cost of financing on anything.....regardless of whether or not it appreciates or depreciates, should be based on the cost of financing.

When you say, "On the other hand, if the car costs you 10% annually and you are only getting 7% on your rental it would make more sense to pay off the car." you're using the cost of depreciation in evaluating whether or not to pay off the vehicle.  That makes no sense to me because even if you pay off the vehicle, you're still getting the 10% depreciation. 

Right; it doesn't oppose what you said because I agreed that using it can be beneficial. The downside of forum posts is the propensity to oversimplify. Clearly an analysis can and should include various angles of view, but no one method is going to reign supreme. It's knowing what all to use, when and how as well as understanding what is important to you personally. 

You are free to ignore the depreciation in your analysis of these kinds. Yes, you will have it on a car either way, but when that depreciation is being financed it adds a multiplier effect to that cost in my view. I believe it's a poor decision to finance a depreciating asset, perhaps you don't. 

In any event, I was adding additional perspectives on how the OP could look at the situation. It wasn't intended to be the only thing to consider and I am not here to convince you of something you don't believe. I wish you the best; have a great weekend.

Post: Payoff a Vehicle or buy another rental!?

Chad G.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Bradenton, FL
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 15
Originally posted by @Tony Kim:
Originally posted by @Chad G.:

So for instance, if the car with depreciation costs you 10% annually, but you get an estimated 15% CoC return on your rental (I would avoid including appreciation on the property since that is speculative, whereas depreciation on the car is guaranteed)... then the rental would be better. On the other hand, if the car costs you 10% annually and you are only getting 7% on your rental it would make more sense to pay off the car.

If buying a rental would provide you with 7% CoC, how would paying off the car which would lead to a 0% return make more sense? I'm not necessarily saying that buying a rental is better. I'm just trying to better understand your analysis.

As alluded to by previous posters, a total DTI analysis would make much more sense to me. It doesn't matter if financing is being used for your car or for your property...it should all be aggregated together to come up with a total financial picture. If it seems like reducing debt might be better, then pay it off. If you purchase a property, I'm sure you will be able to get something with a CoC higher than the cost of financing your car. So, obviously it isn't going to hurt your bottom line to increase your assets and increase your liabs. But you also want to ask yourself how much debt are you comfortable with...which will be affected by various other things, like how close you are to retirement, etc.


Sure, DTI could certainly be another variable in your analysis, but in and of itself, I don't see that being the end-all, be-all unless you are in a really bad state from that perspective. Being "sure" you will get something of a CoC higher than cost of financing the car is a gamble without validating that assumption, which is what my point was: work the numbers out to gain confidence in that common sense. In engineering we have a saying that all problems look like nails when all you have is a hammer. As real estate investors we are biased to buying more real estate, but we shouldn't make decisions without verification to what our gut tells us.

Circling back to your first question, you seem to look at things differently than I do. Eliminating the cost of financing of a depreciating asset would be far from a 0% return. In order to eliminate a negative return, which is what the car is, requires a positive return to bring it to zero.

Post: Payoff a Vehicle or buy another rental!?

Chad G.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Bradenton, FL
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 15

Most of the responses telling you to go one way or the other are purely gut or emotional in nature. If you want to make this a legitimate financial/logical decision, you have to take the returns you expect from a potential rental and compare it to the car, which requires you to factor depreciation and the loan rate. You could use returns on a previous/current rental(s) as a general gauge, just remember there is no guarantee a future investment will provide the same so allow for a margin of error. That said, if you estimate an actual deal it will still only be a projection that you can only verify after it becomes seasoned

So for instance, if the car with depreciation costs you 10% annually, but you get an estimated 15% CoC return on your rental (I would avoid including appreciation on the property since that is speculative, whereas depreciation on the car is guaranteed)... then the rental would be better. On the other hand, if the car costs you 10% annually and you are only getting 7% on your rental it would make more sense to pay off the car.

Post: Moving to Seacoast Region

Chad G.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Bradenton, FL
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 15

@Jaylan Archer

We're not planning to move until next year sometime (I.e. spring or summer). I'll send you some to discuss in more detail.

@Jake Perry

Thanks I'll reach out

Post: Moving to Seacoast Region

Chad G.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Bradenton, FL
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 15

My wife and I are interested in moving to New Hampshire. Although nothing is 100% settled yet, we are leaning towards the Seacoast Region (my father lives in FL, but travels to Somersworth during the week for work and it would be nice for him to be able to see his grandchild more frequently). I am hoping to do something similar to what we did when we moved out here to CO (Find an agent that also has rentals to be our buyer's rep, lease from them while they find us a property to buy, end lease early and move into our own property). Does anyone have referrals for an agent that works in the Portsmouth, Exeter, and Dover area?

Post: OKC Contractor Needed!

Chad G.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Bradenton, FL
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 15

pm sent