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All Forum Posts by: Candice C.

Candice C. has started 2 posts and replied 22 times.

Hi Joel,

I appreciate your contribution to my discussion. Thank you for the materials and information that you so generously provide. I read both your books and listened to your podcasts. Appreciate you sharing this knowledge. Best of luck to you in all of your future endeavors. 

Candice

Quote from @Ronald Rohde:

If you like the market, seems like a decent play with long term upside. You have to hold through a market renewal though. Do you want to do that?

Thank you Ronald. When going through the contract, I sat through numerous of your online videos of how to read and decipher the purchase sale agreement. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge. As advised from my broker, I did have a real estate attorney (as they are the experts in translating that document). But it was encouraging to sit alongside you going through all of the verbiage. It was less intimidating with you going through each paragraph and section. Thank you. Unfortunately, this was a no-go as we received no movement on the Seller's side for concessions. Our broker thinks that better or similar returns are out there with less headache.

 Best of luck to you. Appreciate your contribution to my post.


Quote from @Evan Polaski:

A couple things I would be thinking about/looking into:

How does your property compare to newly signed leases for Napa's?  Have not because the seller did not move on any concessions. After all was said and done, the building needed a lot of work (see above for estimates). In the future, I will compare those leases. Will definitely ask for those comparisons.

How is this one laid out versus newly signed leases? We did not move forward. Will ask our broker to retrieve those leases for comparison in the future. 

What is this Napa's sales?  What is their benchmark for a successful store?  These essential stats were all weighed before going under contract.

Have you talked with Napa's real estate director?  Did not move forward. Will keep in mind for future deals.
Have you talked with their real estate broker? Yes. It was a no- go.

What are this location's sales?  How much are derived from walk in vs delivery to service shops? How many service centers are in their area? These numbers were all researched before deciding to go under contract.

Have you completed your Alta Survey and phase 1 environmental? Stopped after the general property and roof inspections because of the large amount of deferred maintenance.

What does "LL responsible for structure" mean? LL stands for landlord. Who pays to replace RTU's?  RTU HVAC is a landlord expense. Who is responsible for repaint? Would have to check on the repainting.  Possibly landlord. The signage is the tenant most likely. Should check. Plumbing? etc. Plumbing is the landlord expense.

I would not put too much emphasis on the rental rate.  Remember, this is a retail business (b2b and b2c), if Napa believes they can double their sales by moving to a new location, they will happily pay market rents or build to suit their own property. Or if their corporate strategy is to move into owned locations, same thing.  Your rent is sort of irrelevant.

I appreciate your perspective and insight. Thank you for putting in the time to share your knowledge on this post.

Quote from @Crystal Smith:
Quote from @Candice C.:

This is the initial email from my broker. I live in California. The property is in Chicago Heights, IL. My broker is in California. I appreciate your perspective and feedback. Thank you in advance.

This is a very good deal and very safe with one of upside. It will take time to get it to the upside but the numbers are very attractive. The property cash flows well with a huge pop at the end of the lease. Ironically this property is 10 miles from your Advanced Auto property.
NAPA Auto Parts-Chicago Heights, IL

  • Corporately Guaranteed lease - Napa is owned by Genuine Auto Parts which trades on the NYSE and does about $19billion in revenue
  • 8.32% return - you can't beat that return in the real estate market
  • The tenant has been at the location since 1997 and keeps extending. Tenants only extend if they are doing well there. They extended again in 2021. 3.5 years remaining on the lease plus 1 x 5-year option for renewal.
  • This is not on a corner, it is 1 parcel over from the corner with visibility to 26,000 cars/day
  • Over 60,000 in population within a 3-mile radius
  • Ridiculously low rent per SF at $0.17/SF. It seems impossible that they could ever pay less, which makes it safe. The market rent is $1.17/SF. Even if you only got half - $0.60/SF - it is a 28.8% cap rate.
  • The bad thing is that there are no increases during the 3.5 years of lease or the 5-year extension option. It is more than likely that they will extend because the rent is so ridiculously low, it would be better if they left but I doubt they will. So no increases for 8.5 years. So in 8.5 years, you earn about $212,160 (8.5 x $24,960/yr). So you get roughly 2/3s of your money back in 8.5 years at a very high return and then if you even got half of the market rent, your returns skyrocket on a new lease to 29%. If you get $0.30/SF (1/4 of the market rent) you would still get a 14.4% return - you just can't beat that. Once you do the new lease you make it a NNN lease as this one is NN but also with the landlord contributing some to the property taxes
  • The other concern would be the condition of the property. You would want to get this inspected as the landlord is responsible for the roof and structure. The roof had a new silver coating applied about 3 years ago. The asphalt parking was redone 2 years ago.
  • And we have to check easement rights - I believe this should be fine but we will double-check, as they have been using the neighboring property as an easement for over 25 years.

Here is what your returns would look like with no loan."

PriceDown PaymentNet IncomeCap RateYrly Loan Payment Cash Flow Cash-on-Cash ReturnYear 1 Interest PaymentYear 1 Principal ReductionTotal Return w/Principal ReductionTotal ReturnAdditional Yrly Depreciation
$ 300,000 $ 300,000 $ 24,9608.32% $ - $ 24,9608.32% $ - $ - $ 24,9608.32% $ 5,769


Nobody has a crystal ball but theoretically here is what your return would look like at $0.60/SF.

Fast forward a month, the deal is under contract. We had the purchase sale agreement vetted by our lawyer ($4000) retainer. I found him through my family real estate lawyer. Got a general property inspector to look at the property ($1250). The property has a lot of deferred maintenance. Also got the roof inspected by two inspectors. One of the inspectors charged $600. 


This is what my broker said today in an email.


From what I am looking at, here are the estimated expenses.
Paving: $7,500 Roof: $41,000 -$72,500
I would say it is safe to say another $5,000 in general repairs if not more. I know no building is in perfect condition and there will typically be something that needs to be repaired. I just feel that about $53,500 to possibly up to $85,000 on a $290,000 purchase is difficult. It makes the purchase a $343,500 to $375,000 purchase. It means you are really buying a 7.3% return in the best-case scenario. Is that a bad deal, no, it is still a good deal with a very strong proven tenant with very low rent. I just feel there are other deals out on the market which will give you a similar or slightly better return with less headaches.

What are your feelings? Why? Thank you. This would have been an all-cash offer (if you still think that it would have been worth it).



Here are my thoughts:

1. You have a stable and financially sound tenant
2. I'm not a fan of getting stuck with a lease where you will not be able to increase rent for 5+ years.  Great deal for the tenant.  Not a great deal for you.  Fortunately, it's a NN lease so the tenant pays the taxes and property insurance.  During the due diligence I'd make sure that it's a true NN lease so you don't end up paying taxes and insurance as the tax bill in Chicago Heights will be high and continue to go up
3. Your question on whether or not it's worth it- In Chicago Heights with the risk I'd be looking for a higher return, 10 CAP, or more. 

Crystal, I appreciate your contribution to this post. 

I absolutely agree with your #1 and #2. As for the 10 cap, those seems to be fewer and far between. Thank you for your time and for sharing your thoughts.

Quote from @Jonathan Klemm:

Hey there @Candice C. - The deal itself isn't horrible, but I'd be offering lower before moving forward.  To be honest it sounds like you need some boots on the ground here in Chicago.  

Being an out-of-state investor can be tricky and there are a lot of sketchy buildings and blocks that would be hard to understand if you aren't speaking with some one locally.

Jonathan,
I definitely need some more local market insight. Boots on the ground would be advantageous. I appreciate your insightful comment.
Quote from @Connor O'Brien:

We own in Richton park, a couple miles away. I love the area however there are many abandon buildings despite brand new construction (check out Sauk trail and 57- built a new Starbucks, and new 3 tenant retail in the last 2 years)


I’m curious if these new developments are working out tax deals with the county?? Seems wasteful to have buildings just sitting and it makes me wonder about older building outlook

Appreciate your perspective. I am not sure about the tax deals in the county, but I will look into it. Thank you Connor.
Quote from @John McKee:

Your traffic counts are only 7,500 so it will be hard to back fill with retail unless it's destination retail like it's current use.  However the price is great, and I'm willing to bet that it might cost more than $300K to build that same building in today's market.  Check out the population growth in that area.  Is it growing or at least stable? The building is a bit unique and large so it will be difficult to find a replacement tenant in a timely manner.  

I appreciate your feedback and perspective John. I wish you much success in your real estate journey.
Quote from @Russell Brazil:

Just offer less and see what they say


 Hi Russell,

This is my husband's thought also. How much concessions would you ask for? Appreciate your perspective.