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All Forum Posts by: Cam Schwartz

Cam Schwartz has started 7 posts and replied 72 times.

Post: HELOC or Renovation Loan - Renovating 3-unit to 6+ units close to a Chicago Univ.

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Quote from @Quincy Mingo:

Looking for Advice on a renovation.

Hey everyone! I’d love to get your input and perspective on my current real estate situation in Chicago, IL. I’m in the process of purchasing a 3-unit with unfinished basement property for $512,000, significantly below its appraised value of $690,000. This price reflects the equity I already have in the property through a partnership, and I’ve negotiated a deal to keep it affordable. Owner financing is not an option.

The property is located in an area that has been appreciating at around 6% annually, with strong long-term growth potential, I’m considering how to best leverage this opportunity.

My goal is to renovate the property to maximize income by adding more units. The property has 3 above ground units with each unit having 3bedroom 1 bath. Property is zoned RM-5 and has great potential for increasing rental revenue. I'm exploring options for financing the renovations, including potentially taking out a HELOC using the property's existing equity or considering a renovation loan.

Key Details to Consider:

- Purchase Price: $512,000

- Appraised Value as is: $690,000

- Equity Left in Property: $178,000+

- Annual Appreciation: ~6% ($27,000+/year)

- Planned Renovations: Convert and optimize layout to add more units

- Goal: Increase property value and generate additional rental income

Questions I’d Love Input On:

1. Financing the Renovation: Would a HELOC be the best choice, or should I roll into the a Conventional rehab loan, or other loan products? Or buy at full price and take the cash difference?

2. Renovation Strategy: What are the best layouts to ensure I get a strong ROI on the renovations?

3. Commercial loan vs Residential – once I increase to 4+ units the loan request would change. How to work around or best option here.

4. Cost - the basement alone may run me $140K+ to renovate to 2 units with income of roughly $2,300. Should I start renovating the other floors first? Renovation cost for other floors is unknown at this time or if I want to go that route. 

5. Exit Strategy: Should I hold long-term to benefit from appreciation or consider refinancing/selling after increasing the value?

6. Living Situation: I could use as primary residence or strictly buy as investment?

I’d appreciate any insights from experienced investors, lenders, or anyone who’s worked on value-add projects like this. Please share your thoughts, lessons learned, and recommendations!

Hey Quincy! Fully agreed with @Jonathan Klemm's view. He's based in Chicago and I highly recommend connecting with him directly - excellent resource.

I can speak to the financing considerations. If you're looking to hold, which at 6% annual appreciation + near local University likely makes an attractive option, HELOC or some form of term financing is probably best. That way you don't need to worry about paying off or refinancing the full principal amount at maturity.

Hard Money is great when the plan is to sell as you'll have the proceeds to pay back the loan but for long-term holds I would recommend looking into longer-duration options.

Always happy to chat through and help brainstorm!

Post: Cash / Hard Money

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Quote from @Mike Musarra:

I'm wondering if anyone's ran into this problem before and if they found a solution.  I put an offer on a potential flip and the realtor got back to us saying that they are only accepting cash offers.  Our offer was 120k via hard money which in my experience has always been treated as a cash offer.  Sounds like they want to see cash in the bank.  So, I'm dead in the water as I don't have 120,000 dollars lying around.  Has anyone else dealt with this, and was there a way to solve the problem?

We reiterated to the realtor that our hard money lender is as good as cash and can transfer funds with an accepted deal within 10 days.  The property is in the probate process.

Thanks,

Mike


Hey Mike, similar to your experience hard money is usually accepted by the realtors we've worked with. The probate situation might have something to do with this realtor's preferences.

I would ask your lender to speak with them directly to try and get them comfortable. We've done this in the past.

Post: Hard Money Broker

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Quote from @Manuel Balian:

Hi - My name is Manuel Balian, and I am a hard money broker working in 37 states. I provide my clients with great customer service, and I work with the best lenders nationwide.

I would like to discuss teaming up with you. I believe you can be more successful if we work together as a team. My broker fee is very low – below industry average.

Please see my website www.TeamBalian.com and call me at 818-616-0134 cell.

I look forward to speaking with and serving you.

Thank you.

Manuel Balian

Your Hard Money Broker


Hey Manuel, just sent you a message. We have a great tool for Broker's/Agents/Wholesalers to price out hard money deals for investors.

Try out our Instant Quote feature to immediately receive a full quote for any of your projects!

https://vert-re.com/instant-quote

Post: Is 100% Hard Money Financing Realistic for New Investors?

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Quote from @Deborah Wodell:

I’ve had quite a few new investors come in lately asking about 100% financing through hard money — meaning no money down, with both the purchase and rehab fully covered by the lender.

From what I’ve seen, that’s pretty rare unless there’s some creative structuring involved.

I know it can sometimes be done through JV partnerships, seller financing in second position, or gap funding — but even then, it's usually based on the deal's strength, experience, and having the right connections.

For those of you who’ve been in the game a while — have you seen a true 100% financing deal happen for a new investor? If so, how was it structured?

Curious how you all explain this to beginners who are eager to jump in but don’t have much capital yet. Would love to hear your insights, advice, or even deal examples!


Hey Deborah, 100% financing is possible to your point but often done through creative measures similar to those you've mentioned.

The primary reason lenders require a down payment of some form is to ensure alignment of incentives. Its easy for a borrower to walk away from a difficult project if they don't have any cash tied up - this creates challenges for lenders who aren't always set up to take over the investment.

I've seen plenty of 100% financing offers in FB groups but presume many of them are illegitimate. For reference, our best offer is 10% down + 100% of rehab costs.

Post: Lowest Rate W/ Points OR Higher Rate No Points?

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Quote from @Tyrell Proby:

When financing your flips, do you focus more on getting the lowest interest rate or avoiding upfront points?

I recently spoke with an investor who takes a 6-month loan at 16% interest with no points because he consistently flips in 3 months or less. Even though the rate is higher, he avoids the 2 points ($4,000 on a $200K loan) that come with lower-rate loans.

By closing out the loan early, he only pays $8,000 in interest versus a lower-rate loan at 10% with 2 points, which would cost him $9,000 total ($5,000 interest + $4,000 points). For those who turn projects fast, does a higher rate with no points make more sense for your deals? Or do you still go for the lowest rate possible?

Let me know what you think.

Hey Tyrell, agreed with @Chris Seveney. No or less points makes sense if turning the project in three months. As you already know, projects often have unforseen issues that delay construction. Further, certain properties can sit on the market for months for being sold. Both of these scenarios have nothing to do with experience level.

Most lenders are going to charge points or closing fees to a certain extent. I would focus on your return threshold and finding terms that help you get there. We have a free simple profit calculator to help with this for flips and holds.

Post: 10% down for investment property

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Quote from @Sarah Crowley:

I’m looking to buy two recovery homes but only want to put 10% down on each is this possible to find something like this?


Hi Sarah, there may be 10% down options for term loans but the majority of lenders are going to require 20%.

One potential workaround is structuring the purchase as a hard money bridge loan which typically assumes a certain level of rehab on the property. Plenty of hard money lenders offer 10% down + 100% financing on rehab costs for these loans.

Post: seeking private lending and hard money lending

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Got it, just sent you a note!

Post: Multi Family Rehab

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Quote from @Patrick Goswitz:

I own a Triplex and was planning to refinance the property after renovations and then rent it. The property does need a significant renovation about 425k worth to redo everything. The property can bring in $6,900/ month according to Small Area Fair Market Rents in this zip code. I can use a HELOC to fund the renovations but that would require me to unload other properties. I was wondering what other options are out there or if using my HELOC would be the best route?


Hey Patrick, why would you need to unload properties to use a HELOC?

One potential avenue is a hard money loan to finance only the rehab as you already own the property. You wouldn't need to sell any properties to secure this funding. Happy to chat through this in detail if interested.

Post: Advice on BRRRR strategy

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Quote from @Mark Delosreyes:

I have successfully BRRRR'd 40+ properties in my 8 years of being a real estate investor. I recently listened to the BP podcast on the "Perfect BRRRR", where you pull out 100% of your investment. Out of the rentals I've BRRRR'd, I've only had 1 rental where I've left money in the deal; every other deal I've pulled out extra capital to put in my reserves or invest in the next property. This is all while maintaining $200 per month cash flow after PITI, vacancy, repairs, management fee, and capex. I have learned that cash flow is kind of an illusion with SFHs, especially when you need a new HVAC, roof or other large repair. That's why we started flipping houses; the money is made from equity, rather than cash flow.

Question: I’m about to do a cash out refi on a bundle of houses. Should I cash out the maximum amount of equity, while maintaining a much lower per month cash flow (still +), or should I stick to my $200 per unit target and be glad I’m getting all of my investment back?


Hey Mark, as others have mentioned this totally depends on your plans and financial situation. Do you need the extra liquidity or is it just a nice to have? 

Unless you need to max out your refi proceeds it might be more prudent to keep additional equity in your properties. Happy to help you think through more specific scenarios. 

Post: Typical Purchase Price for a Good Flip Opportunity

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Quote from @Sahil Tadwalkar:

I'm relatively new to flipping, but I understand that the majority of profits come from purchasing the property at the right price. I'm currently exploring SFH in the Bay Area, specifically San Jose. I think an 85% ARV seems reasonable and offers a small margin for profit, though I know some other flippers target 70-75% ARV.

With that in mind, what would you consider a typical purchase price as a percentage of ARV for a good flip opportunity in the markets you're familiar with? I'm asking this while excluding local market dynamics and lender requirements as much as possible.

Thanks!


Hi Sahil, as you're aware, purchase price on its own doesn't have much to do with how attractive a given flip might be and varies highly by location. 85% of ARV is unlikely a sufficient margin to create profits and commissions, carrying costs and any financing fees.

70% of ARV is much safer but again, this depends on the deal. Smaller rehabs can be completed much faster than larger ones and thus you can profit with less spread.

We built a couple simplified profit calculators that account for the relevant carrying costs and project duration to give an accurate picture of cost and potential returns. Feel free to check them out at our site and let me know if you find helpful!