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All Forum Posts by: Cameron Del Valle

Cameron Del Valle has started 0 posts and replied 14 times.

Rubs is great and a cheap option but is not the only option and not legal in all States, most importantly they continue to make RUBS illegal slowly but surely.  Also most tenants are not thrilled to know they are paying for the entire properties usage, no matter how little or much and sometimes is not worth the savings.  You usually would charge back base off square footage, # of tenants, or # of rooms.  

Another option would be to install submeters for all your utilities and I know from experience that you can have a water, electric, thermal, or whatever utility you are wanting to bill to your tenants, and use a platform like Meterconnex to enable billing from all submeters directly into your billing software.  You then include the charges in your rent and collect directly from your tenants and continue to pay the city bill.  Tenants pay %100 percent of the bill and you know exactly who is using what, not to mention the leak detection and high/low usage reports to have complete control of your properties finances.  I would be happy to speak to you more and point you in the right direction. 

water Submetering system for your property, help increase the noi and reduce the water consumption by 25%-30% monthly.  Having a system in place will increase value as well, it pays for itself over time and not a huge financial obligation.  I can help you with this if interested. 

Hello, I am aware that this is an older post but I would be happy to speak with you if you are still in need of a submeter system.

Post: Water/sewer submetering for 7 unit MFH

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Quote from @Brian Levredge:

You're going to be better off doing RUBS instead.  There's no cost and it's very easy to do.  We do that on all the multi-family we manage rather than submeter.  We did submeter a 40 unit about five years ago.  The cost wasn't terrible (about 10K) but it was already set up pretty well to submeter.  The problem is the ongoing expense and hassle of dealing with a third party billing system.  There's a few companies in that space, and they do the submetering too, but the bills are a nightmare to manage, and IMO, not worth the time.  Plus the tenants end up getting pissed at you because they are often getting billed well in excess of their usage with no rhyme or reason.  


 That sounds like you have had bad experiences with billing companies, and you are not wrong in the sense that many are a hassle to deal with and not accurate.  That is not necessarily all billing companies fault, the sales guy will often sell you the cheapest, best deal that does not take quality into consideration.  Most meters are a pulse output, so the magnet in the meter simply tallies up the counts after every 10 gallons and sends the data to the collector.  Encoded meters read the meters directly, and eliminates the issue with incorrect readings and pulse counts.  Most rbc companies get special rates on equipment and are incentivized to sell the same system and meters. Rubs is great if you are looking for a no cost solution to recover, but it does not add value to your property and tenants do not like being billed for utilities they are not using. What is stopping one unit from running water or electricity all day if it gets split up with all the other tenants. A proper system that charges for each individuals usage is the way to go. If you need help with this, I would be happy to speak with you. 

Quote from @Boris Seroshtan:

Yes there’s few different options and different prices , I am trying to figure out most efficient on the market 

Thank you 


 Hi Boris, would you like to set up a quick call and discuss your project and see if this is something I can help with?

Quote from @Drew Sygit:

@Gabriel Morales pretty vague info here.

1) Electric - should be easy to add another meter, but how intertwined are the electrical lines? May get costly if you have to rerun new lines to isolate each unit.

2) Gas - should be easy to add another meter, but how intertwined are the gas lines? May get costly if you have to rerun new lines to isolate each unit.

3) Water - most cities won't install an additional water meter. That's why many apartment buildings only have one water meter, and why RUBS systems were created.
You could met


 You would probably spend 1k on a wireless system and find a RBC company to send out the bills.  You might have a hard time with such a small property, but if you would ever want a formal quote and go over submetering I would be happy to do so.  I am a national sales rep for QMC Submetering Solutions. 

a small simple water reading system would work perfectly for your property, perhaps a submeter solution system (I would google it and see their product) and you could install the system using your own plumbers or installers.  Depending on the location, you certainly could pass the charges off to the tenants but I would make sure the legality of upcharging the tenants, for example it is not legal in Ca

Just another thought, they do have submeters that can monitor the individual spots and you could charge back the total cost to the tenant if they are assigned spots.  My company does this and I get inquires every day now that electric vehicles are becoming or relevant than ever. 

Quote from @Boris Seroshtan:

Hey guys looking to install smart sub meters  for a water in Oregon, Have you ever done that and who did you use it for?


 Hi Boris,  I am a national sales rep for QMC.  We help design and implement utility reading systems and supply the meter and all equipment required for submetering all utility types, I would be happy to speak with you and see if this is something I can help you with.  

This is certainly an interesting situation.  If you live in the adu, I would meter the adu with a water meter and subtract the usage from the city bill.  That way it is fair and accurate for both units, and you pay for exactly what you use rather then an estimated amount.  Since you live in the adu, it should be no issue installing. I would be happy to discuss more options with you, feel free to message me.