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All Forum Posts by: Calvin L

Calvin L has started 1 posts and replied 2 times.

Post: A different kind of LLCs protection for Rental Properties

Calvin LPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Arcadia, CA
  • Posts 2
  • Votes 0
Originally posted by Keith Lutz:
Calvin L, wouldn't it just be safer to be a Note-holder? Be the bank, not the landlord.

Good point, but comparing to rental (current market)
1) the return of Note-holding is much lower
2) there is no property growth potential
3) embed potential risk of default.

Post: A different kind of LLCs protection for Rental Properties

Calvin LPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Arcadia, CA
  • Posts 2
  • Votes 0

Going into retirement soon, I am considering rental income as supplement to limited social security benefits. There will be no mortgage since the net cash is needed monthly. At the same time, I am too old not to worry about the risk of losing my life-time savings in lawsuits.

Many people implement the solution using one LLC holding the property ownership and another separate LLC to handle the riskier management operations. It seems isolated the problems caused by management. However some lawsuits (like environmental issues) still can target the owners (for deeper pocket). The additional insurances (general and umbrella) are also costly to cover both two LLCs separately.

There are also strategies of reducing the property equity (Equity Stripping) to make the properties little value to go after. To that aspect, what about a different two-LLCs approach? A main LLC owns both Titles and all management with proper insurance coverage. The second financing LLC has all the capital to fund the mortgage to the properties of main LLC. The only relation is the mortgage lending that is not subject to any lawsuit.

The positive sides of this approach are . . .
1) Lawsuit risk is only on main LLC with limited equities exposed.
2) Majority of the asset value are very safe with the 2nd LLC.
3) No management contract and checks needed between two LLCs.
2) Little or no insurance is needed for the 2nd LLC.
4) Terms of Mortgages can be arranged in favor to our cash-flow.
5) Accounting and Tax to file for the 2nd LLC is very simple to DIY.

I appreciate any opinions and comments of all aspects, especially the negative sides.