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All Forum Posts by: Caleb Rigby

Caleb Rigby has started 12 posts and replied 159 times.

Post: 2nd Utah flip - profited $22k!

Caleb RigbyPosted
  • Investor
  • Layton, UT
  • Posts 162
  • Votes 237

Another one bites the dust! We closed yesterday and have officially sold off our 2nd baby, aka our 2nd flip. This project wasn’t nearly as extensive as our 1st, but it was very fulfilling and still learned a ton. This property was purchased through Auction.com and is located in Roy, UT. If you’ve never been the winning bidder on their site but are interested in the process, leave a note and I can tell you about my experience.

We closed on this property 10/7/16 but didn’t begin work immediately because my contractor was working on another project. Once we began, it was about 2 months of work, which is excessive for the amount of work that was done, so I’m not happy about that, but I’ll share why it went longer in my lessons learned section below. I borrowed funds from a private investor to fund this purchase. They covered about $85% of the required cash (repairs and actual purchase), and I covered the remaining 15%. Here are the numbers for this project:

Purchase Price: $140,999

Purchase closing costs: $1,706

Materials and Labor: $31,822

Holding Costs: $9,019 (includes repayment to investor)

Final Sales Price: $220,000

Closing Costs, Commissions, and Staging: $14,667

Total Profit: $21,788

Here are some before and after pictures:

Fireplace before/after:

Kitchen before/after:

These are the major items we replaced/redid on this house: converted the carport into an additional one car garage (not as hard as I thought it’d be), carpet, updated fireplace, paint, updated lighting, appliances, laminate, granite countertops (also added a little shelf to the counter so you sit at a stool to eat), backsplash, painted cabinets, new furnace, new windows, and removed 3 dead trees from the yard. This house already was 6 bed 2 bath, so it had great bones, just cosmetically it was fugly. My wife pretty much managed this project from beginning to end and did a great job. We only had it listed for a week before we received an offer $4k less than our listing price (but $5k more than I had always forecasted, if that makes sense), so we accepted and closed 4 weeks later.

What did I learn this time?

Lesson Learned #4 (to add to my previous post):

Too many cooks in the kitchen. We wanted to help out a neighbor and give him a chance to earn some side income on this flip. We laid out 3 items that he could do and then we would pay him once the job was completed (he wanted to be paid per hour and I didn’t agree). My general contractor advised us NOT to bring anyone else into the rehab, but we still went ahead with our decision. This decision probably single-handedly cost us ~3 weeks of repair time as he kept promising us he’d get his part done. Well, he didn’t, and so we had to call an electrician to tie a couple of loose-ends at the very end so that we could list the house. Lesson: Be wary of hiring friends, family, or neighbors.

We just started our 3rd flip in Ogden this past Monday. It was an MLS purchase. It's only 1000 sq ft so we should be re-listing it within a month.

Post: First rental acquisition since joining BP

Caleb RigbyPosted
  • Investor
  • Layton, UT
  • Posts 162
  • Votes 237

@James Masotti, I just read this and while it turned out awesome, I was cringing at almost every sentence along the way. You had to deal with so many issues, it's unfreaking believable. I applaud you for finishing it though. I'm excited to see what else you've been up to. 

Post: My first flip - ghetto house to best house within blocks

Caleb RigbyPosted
  • Investor
  • Layton, UT
  • Posts 162
  • Votes 237

@William Hochstedler, that probably wasn't worded very well on my part, but if I did decide to ever become a landlord, I would have them managed professionally. You're also like the smartest man in Northern Utah, so I'm just going to hand over everything to you and have you make decisions for me from now on.

@Andrey Y., thanks man. Not sure what the net profit will be yet, but it will get taxed as ordinary income, so whatever tax bracket I'm in at the end of 2017 then that will be the tax rate that gets used for this flip (and the others I complete this year).

Post: My first flip - ghetto house to best house within blocks

Caleb RigbyPosted
  • Investor
  • Layton, UT
  • Posts 162
  • Votes 237

@Martin Nowak, I got the HELOC from my local credit union, America First Credit Union. It was 80% LTV and came with a 3.49% interest rate. They did an appraisal and so I was able to borrow 80% of that less my payoff amount of my mortgage. The entire process took about 3 weeks between my application and actual signing of the docs, and the cool thing is it didn't cost me a thing (they paid for the appraisal). I would recommend anyone get a HELOC. I just checked and looks like I had about $750 in interest during the rehab, which also includes a small personal LOC that I drew on as well.

@Joseph Ziolkowski, that's awesome! I wish I had begun earlier, so I'm jealous of you. Sounds like you already have some great experience over the past year as well. Can't wait to see your post.

Post: My first flip - ghetto house to best house within blocks

Caleb RigbyPosted
  • Investor
  • Layton, UT
  • Posts 162
  • Votes 237

@Claudia W., just money :) The fridge would have made it look even nicer, but I couldn't bring myself to spend $1,000+ on a stainless steel fridge. Maybe that would've helped us sell faster, but I was having a hard justifying any extra dollars as I was already so far over budget. Good luck!

Post: My first flip - ghetto house to best house within blocks

Caleb RigbyPosted
  • Investor
  • Layton, UT
  • Posts 162
  • Votes 237

@Tyson R., yes, there was room for another bathroom, but it wouldn't have been cheap - nothing was even roughed in. My wife and I talked it over and decided that if we didn't have any offers in the first 6 weeks or so, we'd take it off the market, add the bathroom, and then relist it for a higher price. I'm glad we didn't have to do that. For these older houses in Central Ogden, only having 1 bath is pretty common.

Post: Referrals in Northern Utah

Caleb RigbyPosted
  • Investor
  • Layton, UT
  • Posts 162
  • Votes 237

@Risa Hind, I know there is a UT REIA meeting tonight that has a panel of hard money lenders. Here is the info I received via email:

DATE:Tuesday, January 24th
TIME:6:30 - 8:30 p.m.
LOCATION:Utah Apartment Association--448 East Winchester Street (6400 South), Suite 460
COST: First Time Guests and Utah REIA Members are Free. All Others are $15.

Post: My first flip - ghetto house to best house within blocks

Caleb RigbyPosted
  • Investor
  • Layton, UT
  • Posts 162
  • Votes 237

@Ryan Swanson, about $4,000. New vanity - $400 Labor $2,500 (I wasn't anticipating it to be this much, but it included demo, the plumbing for the new tub, sink, and toilet, and the floor and wall tile work), tile - $350, toilet - $150 Tub - $300, then some other misc stuff like faucet, shower head, and sheetrock.

Post: My first flip - ghetto house to best house within blocks

Caleb RigbyPosted
  • Investor
  • Layton, UT
  • Posts 162
  • Votes 237

@Joe Splitrock, great questions. There are a few reasons why I didn’t want to keep this as a rental. First and simply, I didn’t want to be a landlord. Of all the research I had done in the month’s prior to actually pulling the trigger, I was solely focused on learning as much as possible about flipping. I wasn’t prepared for a rental, no matter how good it looked on paper. Could I have kept this as a rental? Yes, but it didn’t fit my business model at the time. Secondly, this area of Ogden is more of a “C” area, and I wouldn’t want to self-manage those types of properties, or get a property manager.

To your second point, however, you’re spot on. I had heard all of the experienced rehabbers give counsel about not putting too much work into a property that doesn’t warrant it, but it was very hard for me to draw the line between what I would want as a home owner, and what a future home owner in Ogden would want. I spent too much on tile, granite countertops, and other nice finishes. I need to get better at this or I’ll just have meager profits from here on out. I’m just beginning my 3rd rehab right now and it’s going to be my guinea pig – we’ll be using less expensive materials but we’ll still try to make it really nice for the area. If it goes poorly, I’ll blame you :)

Post: My first flip - ghetto house to best house within blocks

Caleb RigbyPosted
  • Investor
  • Layton, UT
  • Posts 162
  • Votes 237

@Brian Smith, new cabinets from Home Depot - They're the stock cabinets, so that saved me a few thousand by not getting semi-custom ones. The bathroom tile (floor and shower) were both from Lowes, but I can't remember the name. Let me look through my notes. I know it wasn't cheap (something like $2 per sq ft), but I really like the 12 X 24 look. I'll let you know.

@Jim Shepard, some great advice. My constraint is my time, as I'm working 50+ hours a week at my desk job about 60 miles away. I'm only able to visit my houses 1-2 times per week...which is why I love my GC and that he's able to stay on task while I'm away. 

@Thomas Oliver, I'm excited to see your pics.

@James Masotti, you're a vetran compared to me. You'll do great. Good luck.

@Nick Costello, that's awesome that you can rehab from so far away. Takes a lot of guts. And that's a great idea with the tenant contingency, I had never heard of that before.