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All Forum Posts by: Caleb Martin

Caleb Martin has started 1 posts and replied 3 times.

Post: Building STR and recovering cash

Caleb MartinPosted
  • Charleston, Wv
  • Posts 3
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Zach Edelman:

How would revenue break even in option #1? You are still exiting with a refinance and thus the terms wouldn't change on the exit whether you are buying in cash and then refinancing versus doing a construction loan and then refinancing. Weirdly, you may actually be able to get better terms and/or more LTV on the refinance if there is debt on the property as lenders have rules for max cash in hand (max proceeds you get at closing) for cash-out refinances.

 Annual net operating costs for option 1 are basically the same as the annual revenue. In both options we should be able to recover our initial investments after a refinance. So the exit strategy is the same with both options. I’m just curious if anyone has tried building multiple single family buildings on one lot and what the loan process looked like. 

Thanks for responding! 

Post: Building STR and recovering cash

Caleb MartinPosted
  • Charleston, Wv
  • Posts 3
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Andrew Steffens:

There are probably more experienced people on this type strategy who will hopefully chime in.  I have some experience here, and my answer will be it depends.  Before you commit I would talk to banks, probably local banks are better than regional or national.  I would also talk to local brokers.  Get you ducks in a row before committing.

Also, not an expert in that area, but I cannot believe that a cabin double the size will do the same revenue.  Are you just using a number like AirDNA provides or have you dug in and found comps?


 Thanks for the response! The revenue was based from AirDNA and also finding comps. I was also surprised. I think it could be due to niche cabins still having a strong nightly rate but I’m a total noob. 

We are for sure going to talk to some banks. I just wanted to see if there were any pearls of wisdom floating around of someone who has walked this road. 

Post: Building STR and recovering cash

Caleb MartinPosted
  • Charleston, Wv
  • Posts 3
  • Votes 2

My father and I just paid cash for a little less than a 2 acre lot in Summersville, WV. We plan to build a cabin or cabins for our family use and an STR. The covenants state that the property can't be subdivided. We have about $100,000-$120,000 in cash to invest. My father is a contractor so we will be able to complete most of the work ourselves while keeping costs low and add equity. We would like to refinance as soon as possible after the build to recover all or most of our initial investment.

Annual STR revenue for 4bed 4bath cabin is estimated to be about $45,000. Annual revenue for a small 2bed 2bath cabin is basically the same. Build costs are basically double for the larger cabin.

Option 1. We use a construction loan to build a 4bed 4 bath cabin. Refinance after the build is complete to recover as much of our initial investment as possible. Pros: the cabin will be able to house our entire family, easy process to refinance. Cons:revenue basically breaks even.

Option 2: We pay cash to build a small 2/2 cabin initially. Keeping our overhead low and estimated revenue high. With hopes to build two additional cabins in the future. Once each cabin is built we would like to take a mortgage out to recover our cash and then use to build the next. Pros:income per cabin is estimated to be about $20,000/year. Cons:not as friendly for our family to use at the same time. May be harder to recover cash?

My question is this. How would we go about pulling our cash out of the deal if we went with option two? Would a bank even allow us to mortgage multiple buildings on a single lot without it being subdivided? Any advice is greatly appreciated!