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All Forum Posts by: Caio Ferreira Torres

Caio Ferreira Torres has started 2 posts and replied 10 times.

Post: Moving to Danbury, CT – Seeking Advice on House Hacking and Local Strategies

Caio Ferreira Torres
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  • Danbury, CT
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Quote from @Kavya Veerapaneni:

Hi BiggerPockets Community,

I’m relocating to Danbury, CT, from Reading, PA, after accepting a new job. Coming from an area where rents are much lower (a 2-bed, 1-bath, 1,500 sqft rental averages $1,270/month), I was shocked by the high rental prices in Danbury. To offset costs, I’m planning to buy a duplex and pursue a house-hacking strategy:

1. Rent out one unit as a long-term rental.

2. Live in the other unit and rent out the bedrooms as short-term rentals (STRs) through a furnished rental approach.

Before diving in, I have a couple of questions:

1. Can I use a property for both short-term and long-term rentals? Are there any challenges I might face, especially if my long-term tenants aren’t comfortable with the short-term rental activity in the same building?

2. Does anyone have experience investing in or house hacking in Danbury? Are there alternative strategies you’d recommend for this market or nearby markets which are of commuting distance to Danbury?

As a newbie, I’d love to connect with local investors and agents to learn more about the area and refine my plan. Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your help!


 Hey Kavya!

Your local Investor a Realtor here! 
I'm currently house hacking my multifamily in Danbury and have another duplex in Brookfield CT that could’ve been a house hack deal as well.

My 2 cents are: 

Stay prepared (preapproved) and on top of the market because when the good opportunities come, you have to jump on it. Especially since most multi's are slightly overpriced. Try to buy something with detached garages. I have a 4 car detached garage at my property and I rent out all the bays for storage use. I want to look into the possibility of a future ADU there as well. Lake side homes are more desirable for short term rentals in this area but not impossible to accomplish. I'd recommend getting a roommate instead. You'd get a consistent income which might bring you more income on a year to year basis than renting a room on Airbnb here and there. I'd also recommend looking into New Milford, CT if Danbury seems too pricey. Feel free to DM me to schedule a call, I'd love to help you out with this purchase!

Post: House Hacking Every Year Not Possible?

Caio Ferreira Torres
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  • Danbury, CT
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 18
Quote from @Andrew Postell:

@Caio Ferreira Torres you mean a podcast/youtube video/ticktok wasn't accurate?  I'm shocked!  Hopefully sarcasm comes through in type.  But yes, just because someone says you can do it...doesn't mean it is actually possible.  That's a hard lesson for a lot of new investors.  But also, you still have to qualify for a new loan to make ANY strategy work. If you lost your job, or your credit changed, then you could not do this or other strategies. Same if you are maxed out with your DTI currently, you can't take on more debt and qualify for a personal home.

Now, keep in mind that interest rates are higher to slow down the economy.  That's by design.  So, also yes, affordability is a real issue for a lot of people.  It's estimated that if rates fell to 6.5% then it would open up home ownership for 1,000,000 people.  Hard to say where rates will go for sure, but we don't expect them to be at this level for longer.  

I would guess that in the future you would qualify.

Also, your math is a bit off above but I wouldn't really worry about it.  Just keep checking in with your lender on where things are.  If you purchase a home every OTHER year, you're going to be a millionaire.  Keep staying diligent with your finances and you will be fine.

Hope all this makes sense.

 @Andrew Postell yeah I get that, but it’s something I’ve heard BiggerPockets podcast hosts say multiple times without addressing this issue. I figured I’d post about it to make others aware haha 

I started working as a realtor on the side to help myself reach the higher down payment loans. & DTI won't matter if I go with a DSCR loan. I just helped a client close on a property using a DSCR loan so I'm familiar with the criteria required now. I believe this'll be my strategy going forward but time will tell. I don't want to slow the goals down, I rather work harder! Not "I can't do this" but "how do I do this" right? Thanks for the reply!

Post: House Hacking Every Year Not Possible?

Caio Ferreira Torres
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  • Danbury, CT
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Hello all, 

I've watched a few podcasts where it was stated that it would be smart to house hack every year to take advantage of the low down payment loan options. With the new Fannie Mae 5% down payment conventional option on multi-family properties, I figured it might be possible to follow through with this strategy. However, I own a duplex and the DTI ratio for the next one just doesn't work out. If I'm struggling to meet the DTI criteria on my second property, how could this strategy be used on a year to year basis?

Here's a summary of my situation as an example: 

The unit I currently live in would rent for $2200

My second unit is currently rented for $2700

I rent my garages out for $350

For the next duplex I would live in one unit & rent the other for $2200 

I currently get paid $80k a year or $6667 per month.

75% (2200+2700+2200) + 350 + 6667 = $12342 per month in income

My current mortgage is 2950, my next would be 3300, and my student loan is 250 = $6500 total debt.

6500/12342 = 52.7% DTI

Post: 401k vs Real Estate

Caio Ferreira Torres
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  • Danbury, CT
  • Posts 12
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After further research, I’ve decided to delay the real estate investments a bit and max out the 401k company matched contributions. I will delay the real estate investments until 2023. This way I can save up 50k before I begin investing.

For those interested, here’s my plan on achieving 15 properties in 5 years (kind of). I was thinking of year 1 as the first year I start investing and not so much 5 years from now.

I think of brrrr as 2 deals a year. Giving myself 6 months to refinance each deal. Also, I want to invest in single family homes in New Britain, CT. After buying and rehabbing, the cost should be no more than 200k. For each deal I would of course run the numbers to make sure it makes sense.

Year 1: House hack in Naugatuck, CT (about 35 mins from my job) with a 203k rehab loan. If I’m able to wrap the closing cost into the loan I should be able to house hack for 10k leaving me with 40k. Later that year I’ll invest in my first brrrr deal with a private money lender. I’ve already spoke to 2 that are willing to work with me. It’ll be expensive since I don’t have experience but they’re more focused on the deal itself. Since they only require 10% of the cost, I’ll spend 20k and have 20k for reserves. By then end of the year I’ll refinance the property. I would have rental income after the rehab, my personal income, and 20k reserves in case it’s not a “perfect” brrrr (and other costs).

Year 2: Buy two more deals (similar numbers) using the brrrr strategy (one after the other appraises and I’m able to refinance).

Year 3: Refinance out of the 203k loan and house hack a new property. Brrrr my way into 2 more deals. Total of 6 rental properties.

Year 4: With income saved from my job, cash flow, and taking a loan out against my 401k if needed, I’ll buy a second “rotation” of brrrrr properties. Meaning I can obtain 2 properties, brrrr them, and obtain 2 more. Total of 10 properties.

Year 5: Similar to year 3. New house hack, brrrr into 4 more properties. Total of 15. Also, instead of turning the old house hacks into rentals, I could sell them. I would have lived in them for 2 years which gives me the tax benefits. And I could use the capital to fund more deals.

This sounds far fetched but at the same time it sounds simple enough for a person that willing to put in the work. I’m still inexperienced so right now this is just a dream I’m working towards. I will always make sure to get the comps, run the numbers, and be as diligent as possible. Plans can change of course. I know I’ll have to adapt to a lot of situations as they come. As of right now this is where my head is at. I’m motivated and dedicated to accomplishing this goal. And please, let me know if and why this is unrealistic!! I probably won’t listen haha but I want to know the reasons why it wouldn’t work so I could figure out a way around it.

Post: 401k vs Real Estate

Caio Ferreira Torres
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  • Danbury, CT
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Here’s a bit more about me:

Im 25 (turning 26 in September). I have a 750 credit score. I have 40k debt in student/auto loans. My plan is to start house hacking by September of next year with a FHA 203k loan (already pre-approved for the price range I want). Based on my plan of living frugal, I'll have 40k saved up by September 2022. I will work 40-50 hour a week and I'm willing to dedicate another 20-30 hours each week towards all things real estate. My structural engineering firm works on commercial/residential properties among others. I've read 10 BP books and watched tons of podcast. With that being said, I know there's a lot more for me to learn once I actually start investing (I'm expecting to be humbled haha).

5 year goal (short term): financial freedom. 15 properties cash flowing 54k a year (300$ a month each).

5-15 year goal (medium term): find my niche. Create a unique strategy that I can excel at. Find a way to mix my structural engineering skills into the niche. For example, offer to be part of a clients deal by adding a residential floor to their building (I’m shooting in the dark here but I’ll figure it out).

15-35 year goal (long term): create an empire. Grow exponentially by starting a syndication to fund those deals and more.

Ultimate goal: a million a year in cash flow. Start a non profit and create a small ripple of good in this world.

As you can tell, I believe in the power of real estate. I think of the 401k as a backup plan. I do believe it can give me great returns just not as much as real estate if I’m actively investing (infinite/ridiculously high return with brrrr). If I contribute to 401k I’ll go from 40k saved to about 33k which makes a big difference at the start of my investing career. However, I want that diversification in my investments. I’m looking into taking out loans against the 401k. I’m also considering a delayed start to the contributions. Maybe wait 2 years to before I start contributing. Thank you all for your advice! I’ve carefully read each and every one. And please feel free to add on or comment on my plans! I appreciate it.

Post: 401k vs Real Estate

Caio Ferreira Torres
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@Christian Stoecklein

Yeah, you’re right. I would like to diversify my investments. However, since I’m starting with 0 in my bank account, I feel like keeping the most amount of cash available to begin investing in real estate might be a more profitable move. As I just posted previously, I’m considering using money from the first 5 years to invest in real estate. After a few investments and networking with private money lenders, I can contribute to the 401k to diversify my investments then (if that’s possible).

Would that be smart, or do you think I should contribute to the 401k from the start?

I’ll look into the Roth 401k, thanks!

Post: 401k vs Real Estate

Caio Ferreira Torres
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@Greg Scott

Since I want to go all in on real estate investing, do you think 401k is even worth it?

I was thinking more long term. If I pull out the money by the time I’m 60 I’d receive a 100% return the year of contribution plus compound interest over the years that follow. I still think real estate would give me a better return but having some diversification in my investments would be good. Now I’m considering keeping my money to invest during the first 5 years or so. This way I can use all of my money towards investing in real estate. After that I hope to have created a good network of private money lenders (which would fund the deals). I can then contribute to the 401k match program to diversify my investment, or I’ll decide to continue investing fully in real estate haha

Post: 401k vs Real Estate

Caio Ferreira Torres
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@Mike Adams

I was thinking of it that way as well but having that free money tied in the 401k until I’m 60 years old makes me reevaluate it. The possible return from proper real estate investments might outweigh the free money. I feel like as a new investor I need as much money as I can get a hold of. However, 401k would be a guaranteed 100% return.

Post: 401k vs Real Estate

Caio Ferreira Torres
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@Greg Scott

Yeah I’m very disciplined when it comes to saving! I have a spreadsheet with my income, bills, and expected savings. I agree with you that although 401k match has a 100% return the first year, real estate might be able to give me better returns through cash flow, loan pay down, appreciation, and tax benefits.

Post: 401k vs Real Estate

Caio Ferreira Torres
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I just graduated and got a job as a structural engineer (starting this month). I accepted a salary offer of about 70k a year with a 401k match plan available. However, I want to invest aggressively in real estate. Specifically BRRRR single/small multi family properties. I'm going to continue living with my parents and minimize my bills for at least a year to save up as much as possible. After that I plan to house hack, begin investing in BRRRR deals, and grow a portfolio quickly but cautiously. With that being said, should I put money into the 401k or keep all my money available for me to begin my investing career?