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All Forum Posts by: Paul Burbank

Paul Burbank has started 6 posts and replied 25 times.

Can anyone perhaps help me with a way around this 85% rule? I am 5 days away from my scheduled closing and everything has been fine until now. This "85% Rule" is causing us issues because the appraisal came back with completely bogus "fair market rents". 

This is a triplex in which each unit should list easily for a minimum of $1400 per month (probably closer to $1600). The appraisal states that fair market value is only $1150, which is actually less then they rent for now.

My real estate agent has already provided the bank with several pieces of evidence illustrating that this appraisal is wrong. Everything from copies of leases, to price listings at area apartment complexes, to listings for other units in 2-4 unit buildings within blocks of the property in question. We are waiting to here back whether or not they will approve the loan based on this information.

I am trying to see if there is anything else I might be able to do to move this forward. Can I ask the bank to allow us to get a new appraisal? Might I be able to switch from FHA to a conventional with 5% down? Is there any chance that the bank will accept this application if the appraisal doesn't explicitly state that the 85% rule is met?

Post: Is this a fair deal?

Paul BurbankPosted
  • Contractor
  • Largo, FL
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 1

Disclaimer: This deal contains several assumptions that have not necessarily been researched and analyzed properly. It also does not account for every expense that will be incurred. They are fairly rough numbers. It is based on a real potential deal but contains many hypotheticals. I am just looking for feed back on how to present it and wheter or not the terms are fair to both parties. I am also very new at this so a little advice(and also maybe a little slack) would be greatly appreciated.

I am looking at a 3 family property for $460k. I want to finance it using a 20% down conventional mortgage. I have a potential investor willing to bring $85k to the table for down payment. I would bring the remaining $7k plus closing and the mortgage would be in my name. This partner would be completely silent I would have full responsibility for every aspect of management etc;. I would also be living in the property for the first several years and the balance of the carrying costs not covered by rents would be paid by me. 

  This investor is actually a family member who has the cash but may not necessarily be looking for somewhere to just "stick it" for several years. For this reason I want to treat his $85,000 more like a loan. Here is how I would pay it back.

    Monthly mortgage(including taxes and insurance):$2450

    Monthly rents on two units I don't live in: $2400

    This leaves me with only $50 dollars out of pocket/month(not counting maintenance and such). I would repay his  $85k plus $15k interest over 10 years at about $830/month. On top of this after I move out I expect the rents to net $2050(again this does not account for maintenance, vacancy, etc; only P&I, insurance, and taxes) I would promise him 25% of this number starting the month we begin renting all three units.

  To take it even one step further if we assume 3.5% appreciation/year over the next ten, which is not out of reach in this area, it would be worth $650k in ten years. I don't want to tell him we definitely will sell at that point but if/when we do I would promise him 25% of the net profit from sale. Which is about $80k after commission and paying off the balance of the loan. I know you can't assume appreciation and it is just icing on the cake but I would make this clear to him going into it. This is just a selling point. He is also very smart and knows that no investment is a true "sure thing".

Basically when it's all said and done he is putting in about 18% of the purchase price to buy himself 25% of the property and 0% of the "headaches". I think this would be a great deal for some one that had the money to invest but didn't want to handle it them selves. 

What do you think? Am I crazy? Is this unfair for either side? Does either side carry too much risk?

Post: New Member in Upstate NY

Paul BurbankPosted
  • Contractor
  • Largo, FL
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 1

There certainly is tons of info! The only problem I've had so far is that my headis swimming trying to process it all!

Post: New Member in Upstate NY

Paul BurbankPosted
  • Contractor
  • Largo, FL
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 1

Thanks to everyone who welcomed me.

@Derek Carroll I see you are a commercial lender. I have hopes to eventually get into larger commercial properties. Maybe one day down the road when I get to that point you will be able to help me.

@Steve Brown, there certainly is a ton going on up this way and that is what my wife and I love about it so much! I am sure we will cross path some day too.

@Linda Crandell that would be fantastic! Being as fresh as I am here I have not met anyone personally yet. Time to start growing my network!

Post: New Member in Upstate NY

Paul BurbankPosted
  • Contractor
  • Largo, FL
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 1

Hi. Brand new BP member here looking to get into real estate investing. My wife and I are located in the Saratoga, NY area. I am an electrician by day but hope that one day investing can replace that career. I have known for a very long time that I one day wanted to get into real estate and I am now ready to get started. Though I am not yet sure exactly what route I will mainly follow I plan to start out with either an owner occupied rental or a live in flip. I actually have a couple properties I am currently looking into that I will be asking plenty of questions about in the appropriate forums. I'm excited to be here and to start this chapter of my life!  Thank you for taking the time to read this and I look foward to talking with many of around the site!

Paul Burbank