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All Forum Posts by: Bryan Barry

Bryan Barry has started 8 posts and replied 18 times.

Post: Is there a way to get around fraud in the inducement?

Bryan BarryPosted
  • Virginia Beach, VA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 2

Post: Is there a way to get around fraud in the inducement?

Bryan BarryPosted
  • Virginia Beach, VA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 2

Post: Is there a way to get around fraud in the inducement?

Bryan BarryPosted
  • Virginia Beach, VA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 2

Before going out and getting my first deal underway I want to know as much as possible and I have bee hearing a lot of "fraud in the inducement" and I was wondering if there was any ways or certain weasel clauses I could put in a contract to protect myself from legal issues. Keep in mind that I plan on assigning contracts for a fee (in case you were wondering).

Post: What happens if financing falls through on the buyers end?

Bryan BarryPosted
  • Virginia Beach, VA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @John Thedford:

Depends on your state laws.  If you show the property, that is brokering under most states definition. FL, OR, CA and some other states have addressed this M/O. A seller cannot give anyone the right to violate laws by giving permission to market or sell in most instances. That is an agent's job. In FL, they have amended the laws to prevent people from using contracts to broker real estate and it expressly prohibits advertising properties they do not own. Check your state laws. Last but not least, using contracts to trick sellers with no intention of closing is called FRAUD BY INDUCEMENT. We have a local company that is being sued for that at this time in Collier County, FL.

 What would happen if I bring it to the sellers attention (or this would be stated in the contract) that I may wholesale/assign the contract to someone else for a profit/fee? Would that help my case if I were to be sued for fraud by inducement? 

Post: What happens if financing falls through on the buyers end?

Bryan BarryPosted
  • Virginia Beach, VA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @John Thedford:

This is unlicensed brokering and may not be legal in your state. Many states are addressing unlicensed brokers. This would not be legal in FL. Also Oregon and CA have put an end to these games.

 How would this be unlicensed brokering? I am getting a property under contract, and then selling that contract for a fee. I am not receiving a commission. 

Post: What happens if financing falls through on the buyers end?

Bryan BarryPosted
  • Virginia Beach, VA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @John Thedford:

There are laws on the books. You MAY be liable for the purchase if the unlicensed broker deal falls through. What are your "weasel clauses"? Entering into contracts with no intention nor ability to close is called FRAUD BY INDUCEMENT. This can open the "buyer" to lawsuits.

 The financing clauses (in my contract) state that it gives me, the "buyer" (and/or assigns) until the date of closing to find financing for the property (whether it be 15 days, 30 days, or however long from the time both parties have signed to the date of closing. I would adjust depending on how much the seller wants to sell their property, and if they want to sell quickly). It also states that if financing falls through, inspection of the house reveals structural damage, or for any reason that I the buyer would not want to buy the house in a specified time window (usually five days before closing, again this is adjustable) that I am free of any obligation and have the right not to purchase the house. This clause is in place in the event I can not find a buyer to assign the contract to. There is also a separate clause that states the seller is aware that I am trying to make a profit.

Post: What happens if financing falls through on the buyers end?

Bryan BarryPosted
  • Virginia Beach, VA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 2

Obviously I would still have to go to the title company to file the paperwork, but could the investor go down and file it himself if he wanted to? This is in the scenario where we both have our respective copies of the contract just in case.

Post: What happens if financing falls through on the buyers end?

Bryan BarryPosted
  • Virginia Beach, VA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

unless you got an assigenment fee up front non refundable .. then yes its a sale fail and your not going to get compensated.

 I've never heard of an upfront assignment fee. Does that basically mean I meet with the buyer, he gives me my fee on the spot, signs the assignment of contract, and then my business is done? I don't have to show up at closing or collect a check from the title company? 

Post: What happens if financing falls through on the buyers end?

Bryan BarryPosted
  • Virginia Beach, VA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 2

So, lets say I have a standard wholesale deal set up. I have a seller and an investor. I get the property under contract as per usual, with a financing clause that holds me (the "buyer") free of obligation if I don't find another buyer to assign it to. Lets say I do find an investor and we agree on an assignment fee of 10,000 dollars. I file the property agreement and the assignment of contract to the title company, therefore the investor takes on all responsibilities of the "buyer" in the property agreement (including the financing clause stated earlier). What happens after everything is filed, but the investor (for any reason) doesn't purchase the house? Does this essentially mean a month's work was all for nothing? I know this would seldom happen, but I couldn't help but wonder. I'm also going to make an educated guess that I wouldn't be getting that 10,000 dollars.

Post: Do I need credit to wholesale?

Bryan BarryPosted
  • Virginia Beach, VA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Charlie MacPherson:

@Bryan Barry  If you intend to assign a contract, you most likely need a real estate license that is attached to a brokerage.  

If the seller has a sharp agent, they'll vet you before signing the contract - just like I do when I represent a seller.

I always contact the lender to be certain that they've pulled tax returns, W2s, pay stubs, bank statements, etc.  There are still bogus pre-approvals out there and I'm not taking my client's home off the market unless I'm sure you can pay for it.

And as @John Thedford said, putting a property under contract without both the ability and intent to close on the sale can result in a lawsuit for "Fraud in the Inducement"

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/frau...

In this case I am mostly dealing in real estate that is for sale by owner who is fine with getting paid in cash, I have heard from a few people (some in my own state/area) that it is not required to have a real estate license to assign contracts to cash buyers.