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All Forum Posts by: Bruce Cook

Bruce Cook has started 2 posts and replied 18 times.

Post: Turning Primary Residence to Rental

Bruce CookPosted
  • Orange County CA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 12
Quote from @Joe Scaparra:

@Michael M., I am sorry to give you this advice as so far no one has given you a complete picture of what you are up against. 

Before I give you this advice, let me qualify myself  so you can judge if my advice is even worth taking. 

I am neither a real estate agent or a lender OR  a property manager for money.  

However, I am an investor with 20 units I own and I manage another 6 for my kids!   I manage 26 units in total.  I have been doing this since 2003.  Yes that is 21 years doing this and I have seen it
all when it comes to property management.

Most of my units are 2 bedrooms (900-1000 sq ft)  and most of my rents hover between $1500-$1900 per unit.  Big difference from a 5 bedroom 3000 sq ft house.

Here are the cons to renting out your home.

1.  Out of state and no experience with rentals............SETUP for DISASTER.

2. Property is built for OWNERS not RENTERS.  Large home 5 bedrooms!!!! Lots to tear UP!  I have a few 3 bedroom duplexes and they give me the biggest headaches.  Most families are smaller these days, extra bedrooms are an invitation to get UNAUTHORIZED people living in your home. Life is tough, but it is tougher for renters and the people they associate with.  There will be a time that they will invite others to join them (help pay rent) or take in people hard on their luck to house them.  All that does not spell good news for the owner.

3.  Property Manager.......no disrespect to the PMs on this sight, but to put it kindly you won't find any PM that will do a better job than yourself and probably dislike after you hire one.  Yes there are a few out there but to find them is like a needle in a haystack.

4.  Fees that a property manager quotes you are not what you will experience.  8-10% fee is not all the total fees they charge.  Every new tenant they acquire you will pay a half month to full month of rent in addition to your management fee.  Many PMs charge that on a tenant renewal as well.  My vacancy when I used a property manager far exceeded the time it took me to find a client.  But with no experience and moving out of state you are locked in to using a PM.

5. Rental market.  Here is some good news......Since 2003 I have never lowered rents!  Amazing! But my rents have averaged from $725-850 early on; and now average $1500-1900.  However, I am renting to lower income people and when they lose their job there are plenty of renters to choose from.  However, here is the bad news.  When $3000 tenants lose their job due to layoffs it will be VERY hard to replace them, especially at the same rental rate since everyone will be looking for lower mortgage/rents.  It is far easier to find two $1500 renters than one $3000 renter.

6. Your vacancy rate, and your maintenance cost will be higher. Renters do not care about the yard. All of my duplex's yards go brown in the summer.......All of them. Renters will not pay for watering the lawn or Plants!!!! Your curb appeal on your house will decline and if you live in an HOA be ready to get some complaints.

7.  Pets.......yes pets.  70% of renters have pets.  Some disclosed and many non-disclosed pets.  Pets, both cats and dogs leave their marks, smell and scratches!!!!  If you can't be a hands on landlord you will have issues!!!!  Any carpet in your house will be destroyed within two tenants.  The nice thing about duplexes, they are only about 1000 sq ft.  Mine do not have any carpet. My go-to-flooring was tile, but now luxury vinyl.  

8.  Renters do not change out air filters!   Yes, the do not!  Your air ducts and ceiling fans will be full of lint.  Cat and dog hair is not your AC friend.  

I know it is easier to just rent out your house and Hope For the Best.  Don't take the easy way.  Take a loss if needed and move on.  If you were an investor ask yourself this one question:

Would I buy this house to rent out from the start.  If the answer is no then don't do it now.  Yes this is not what you wanted in home ownership, but don't let a tough situation become a disaster.

Take emotion out of the decision and point out the areas that my logic is off base.

I wish the best for you.


 I can not agree more.  What I was thinking the whole time after reading your post.  Just not so detailed lol.  This is excellent advice.  That last part is a powerful question that Puts a lot of perspective into keeping a home or not.  I heard that from Dave Ramsey many years ago and cannot agree more.

Quote from @Melanie P.:

Y'all are so crazy thinking you have to run for these tenants. A tenant has zero standing to do something about a repair in California until they've given the landlord 30 days written notice that the repair needed to be made.


 Crazy?  Wow, how about we have a conscience.  People dont "have to" do a lot of things in life, that doesnt mean it is the right thing to do.  I feel sorry for your tenants.  Renters laws exist for landords who treat people like this.  Sad.  I have never made my tenants wait 2 to 3 weeks!  and 4 days without a fridge?  Crazy.  

Post: Meet Up with David Greene from BP!

Bruce CookPosted
  • Orange County CA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 12

i am new so there is a lot i am learning, i have been to several meet ups and this is the first one that is charging.  what is the cost for?  thanks, Bruce Cook

Post: Should I become a real estate agent at 18?

Bruce CookPosted
  • Orange County CA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 12

The above advice is excellent.  A couple things I would add is be genuinely interested in the person in front of you.  Learn to listen well.  Learn to serve others to and don’t focus on the money part so heavily, that will come with time if you are helping others solve their pain points.  When people reject you they are rejecting who they “think” you are, not the actual you.  I get excited when I hear no after about 50 times because I know a yes is right around the corner.  Older people that failed will try to tell you you can’t do it because they couldn’t do it.  It is not personal. Learning how to be an expert listener and deal positively with rejection is the biggest thing you can do for your future that has not already been shared above.  I stated a company when I was very young, 18 and it failed, and the next one too.  Last year I sold a company I founded for a lot of money.  But I wasn’t happy because it wasn’t my passion.  I love real estate and am now going to work in this industry.  I am going to get a “job” working for someone who makes less in a year than I made every quarter.  They won’t even know that though. I can’t wait to just serve someone else and help them make their dreams come true while I learn.  I have ran 3 different multi million dollar companies and taught on leadership professionally, my new boss whoever that will be in the real estate world won’t know I could possible buy their company ha ha. It will be like undercover boss.  The above advice to read books is spot on.  Last thing is a great quote, if you want your company/income to grow, YOU have to grow.  Put in your daily schedule “growth time”. And read read read on those doing what you want to do, those whose character you want to have, those who lead like you want to lead(or be led).  Being young just mean you have to try harder, you can do anything a 30 year old can if you grow yourself!  You rock, your already a winner.

That was a good buy, and it did sell right away!

It is extremely rare for a project of this magnitude to go as planned (almost never).  We would love to have honest updates with progress.  People learn much more from others challenges, not the far and few between wins that went as planned.  Hoping to learn from what you would do differently next time and get a current progress report.  Thanks for your contribution!

I had a great time at the event, cool vibe, thanks for hosting.

Post: Tenants Complaining About Upstairs Noises

Bruce CookPosted
  • Orange County CA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 12

The person that mentioned resilient channel is correct. I am a sound professional who has built several recording studios and a sound wall between 2 tenants on a house hack I have most contractors have no clue how to do this correctly and definitely not any drywall contractors I have ever heard of.  Also don't use regular drywall.  Use green glue between the old wall/ceiling and the new layer of drywall.  Use QuietRock 530 type of drywall.  You will have a MAJOR difference in sound reduction.  Also use MLV (mass loaded vinyl) attached with carpet tape directly to the sub floor (under the carpet pad) of the upstairs unit.  Your next tenants will not hate living there either.  The MLV will be cheaper but not work as well.  Both would solve the issue for sure.  One last tip, make sure the base boards upstairs are not touching the floor, even just 1/8 inch gap is good.  

Post: Current rent is $1700 below market each month, what to do?

Bruce CookPosted
  • Orange County CA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 12
Quote from @Alison Brenner:

I have a "keep me out trouble" deposit with an eviction attorney. Relying on my eviction attorney for occasional guidance is somewhat helpful but not ideal. I think a better resource for your purposes is the Fair Housing Council of OC. Ask for Denise Cato. She is an invaluable plethora of knowledge.

If you do find a great landlord-tenant attorney willing to guide landlords, please share the contact info. I've been searching for two years, and the only ones willing to assume the liability of advising me on daily operations didn't pass the smell test. My solution is to use my eviction attorney for tenancy-related questions and my real estate attorney for anything involving written contracts. They are both amazing but Denise is untouchable when it comes to Fair Housing related questions. 


 Alison,

This is excellent information.  I am most appreciative.

Bruce Cook

Post: Current rent is $1700 below market each month, what to do?

Bruce CookPosted
  • Orange County CA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 12

Excellent ideas.  Thank you