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All Forum Posts by: Brian Poirrier

Brian Poirrier has started 7 posts and replied 37 times.

Post: 7 unit or 6 unit Deal?

Brian PoirrierPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbia, SC
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 27

@Cindy West, sent you dm! If you are interested in assigning the Columbia, SC deal, I'm actively looking to purchase more MFR myself.

Post: Property Tax was Deal Breaker on our First Rental

Brian PoirrierPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbia, SC
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 27
Quote from @Susan Guzzo:
Quote from @Myrtle Mike Thompson:
Quote from @Susan Guzzo:

I was looking at rental properties in South Carolina for a hot second, but it turns out that they assess rental property at 50% more than its actual value. Too big a line item on the balance sheet for me.


This isn't entirely accurate... at least not in Horry County where Myrtle Beach is located.  It comes down to the millage rate.  A rule of thumb I tell clients in my market is to take the purchase price of the property and multiply by 0.012.  So on a $300k purchase, the estimate tax liability for an investment property will be around $3600.  I moved here from a state where taxes were much higher than this for a Primary residence, so to me it doesn't feel like a kick in the pants.

 I wasn't trying to throw any shade on SC, it's a lovely place.  1% I can handle.  What I ran into is that for many counties, there is an increase in millage rate, a loss of homeowner exemption, and loss of exemption from school operating taxes.  The end result is often a property tax bill that is noticeably larger than if the property was a primary residence. For a $1.7M property I was seeing an estimated property tax expense of $26K+, so the deal penciled out in comparison to other properties in the midwest where the taxes are lower.

Hard to find reliable sources of info, but there's this: "If you decide to rent out a home you’ve owned and occupied [in SC], your tax bill may triple. There is an exception for armed forces members who apply with the county assessor to keep their owner-occupied rate for up to two years. The reason is that owner-occupied homes are exempt from paying public school operating taxes. Rental properties are not exempt and they’re taxed on 50% more than their actual value." https://www.articlecity.com/bl...

And there's this BP thread that describes increase rental property taxes in SC: https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

I've had to deal with increasingly high property taxes in CA, and I'm trying to get away from it. I'll admit I may be a bit traumatized lol.

Forgive me dead horse, I may have beat you.


 In South Carolina, the tax system is a bit complicated at first glance, but if anything it will only improve with time in favor of landlords as the new Mayor in Columbia is working on to spur local investment.  At the moment, regardless of the county, the taxable value can be reduced by up to 25% of the purchase price via an ATI Exemption depending on the prior taxable value which would likely apply if it is being sold for a gain by the Seller.  If that $1.7m property had a recent taxable value of say $1.2m the new taxable value on the following year* (no supplemental bill like CA back to date of purchase) would be $1,275,000.  From that $1.275m for multifamily/ retail property would apply a 6% assessment rate to then calculate by the millage rate. I usually "re-calculate" the millage rate based on a recent tax bill to consider the Sales Tax Credit, and for instance in the city of Columbia, the tax on $1.275m would be about $37,165, compared to say a smaller county/ no town jurisdiction of Anderson would be about $24,883. However, if the current taxable value is already say $1.6m, the new taxable value would remain $1.6m as the deduction is "UP TO 25%" depending on current taxable value.

Once you have mastered this and can easily look up the recent/ prior tax bill for the millage rate you can easily and accurately estimate what the tax bill will be for your underwriting and it is not so complicated anymore but just still a sort of high bill if comparing to 1% type states but again should be reflected the cap rate/ location risk comparison (favorable laws as well compared to CA).  It's also important to note, property values are not re-assessed or increased yearly and may only be done once every five years up to a maximum of a 15% increase although not common unless it has not traded in a long time and clearly is worth much more. Along with other less common tax deductions such as the Bailey Act and the Abandoned Buildings Revitalization Act, any local sales tax option credit would still apply to investment property automatically, compared to the ATI Exemption and others which must be submitted directly with the county.

Hope this helps!

Post: Looking for a good real estate agent to sell in South Carolina

Brian PoirrierPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbia, SC
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 27

@Nicolas Dunn I sent you a DM, would be glad to jump on a call!

Post: Military move 1st potential rental

Brian PoirrierPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbia, SC
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 27

@Aaron Ver Given that your property tax basis and interest is so low compared to recent appreciation and rate increases I would suggest talking with some local property managers to provide more detailed rent comps that just zillow.  If you can cash flow enough after management expenses in order to keep a reserves for any emergency/ big maintenance items than it would be the best investment you could make for you family.  Also look into what the property taxes will increase to after the county catches on to it being a rental in terms of calculating your cash flow.  The win is not only cash flow but rents have been increasing 10%+ a year and should average 3%+ or more per year as well as they are paying down your principal on your mortgage.  It also almost becomes tax free money in terms of all the write offs for interest, insurance, taxes, management, maintenance, and the no cash write off of "depreciation" that nothing else on the stock market would provide and you won't get a chance again to buy an investment property at your prior purchase price again with lower taxes and that sort of rate of return usually.  


Again this all depends on more details but that is what I generally see when people ask me about this as a local multifamily agent and investor.  I'm not big on buying single family homes purposefully as a rental but when you are in the situation with that option I would suggest keeping it.

Post: Looking to connect with Commercial Agents - 100 units PLUS!

Brian PoirrierPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbia, SC
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 27

Welcome @Account Closed!  I'm a multifamily agent and investor in the Columbia, SC region.  Most of the inventory around here is sub ten units compared to some larger and denser markets such as when I was working in Los Angeles.  The handful of garden type properties you speak of are fiercely traded and quite often, maybe every 5-7 years depending on the goal and timeline for the firm that owns them, their debt maturity, or overall picture.  They are not always sold through brokerages depending on how they bought it and if they have their own disposition team, etc that will shop it to the handful of active investment firms big enough to take it down and frequently package large portfolios.

I'm happy to connect and chat further!

Post: Future BRRRR REFI question

Brian PoirrierPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbia, SC
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 27

It depends on the type of property you are looking into.  Commercial properties you could start with bridge financing that would not have prepay penalties such as a conventional commercial purchase/ refi loan.  

Single family homes and 2-4 unit MFR you will likely use traditional fannie/freddie 30 year loans for both the purchase and refi unless you can pencil the fees/ rates of hard money bridge loan on the initial purchase and these will not have any prepay penalties but the traditional refi product will almost always require a minimum of 6 months since the date of purchase before you can cash out refi at least in my personal experience on 2-4 unit brrrr deals. Also note for 2-4 unit MFR you will need 25% down to purchase and will only receive a 70% LTV on the cash out.

Post: SELL or Keep and Cashflow

Brian PoirrierPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbia, SC
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 27

I would hold for now until you can qualify it as an investment only property on taxes and then 1031 if you still feel the same on having a better use for the cash and/or if the rent potential drops.  Some banks have pulled back on HELOCs, but it may be something you can look into if you are still needing access to extra cash sooner for the new remodel.

Post: A few deals in and looking to connect!

Brian PoirrierPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbia, SC
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 27

@Steven Wolfson would be happy to chat about the market here in SC and provide referrals!  Since moving from Los Angeles three years ago it has been an amazing experience with being able to finally invest myself in multifamily real estate compared to the market out there.

Post: Calling Commercial MFR Loan Brokers in SC

Brian PoirrierPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbia, SC
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 27

Thanks @Scott Wolf for the suggestion!  Sent you a message @Miranda Holland

Post: Calling Commercial MFR Loan Brokers in SC

Brian PoirrierPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbia, SC
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 27

Anyone have a connection for a good loan broker or possibly a private lender offering decent rate/ terms on 5+ unit multifamily deals around Columbia, South Carolina $500k- $5m?


Mostly interested in traditional 5/ 7/ or 10 year purchase loans and possibly other options but not necessarily looking for bridge/ hard money rates as there's already dozens of them around.