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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

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Post: Does negative cash flow make sense for a CA property?

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Quote from @Conner Olsen:
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Should I purchase this CA house hack? Making the monthly payments on my own would be super tough if I couldn’t get the renters in the other 2 rooms (I would be pulling $700 a month out of savings). But being in California, I think the long term gain is worth it.. Right? 
Condo is a 3 bed / 2.5 bath new construction in an up and coming area (land development). 
Any advice is greatly appreciated!


Is it cheaper than renting a similar property?

Hey Conner! It would be pretty comparable to rents in the area if I can find renters for the house hack. 

Post: Does negative cash flow make sense for a CA property?

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Quote from @Ryan Thomson:

If you are spending less towards your mortgage than you are in rent I think it can be a real win. When it comes to getting tenants, It always makes my clients nervous when they haven't done it before. I would connect with a house hacking realtor in the area and get an idea of what your units will rent for. 6months of the mortgage in savings (or a safety net from retirement or family) would also be a good idea to mitigate the risk of it taking a little time to find tenants. 

House hacking is tough to cashflow in year one (with current house price run-ups and interest rates) for a couple reasons:

1. You are living in one of the rentable units

2. You are only putting 5% down so your loan amount is much larger and therefore your mortgage payment.

I would consider your net worth ROI. What I mean by this is considering how much your down payment returns to your net worth (appreciation, loan paydown, tax benefits, AND rent avoidance). Don't forget to include rent avoidance in your numbers! You have to live somewhere.

You may need to lower your return or cashflow expectations so you can get into a house hack that will allow you to avoid throwing rent money away every month. You know this, but don't forget all the other ways real estate makes you money. Paying down your mortgage and owning an asset that will appreciate over the long term.


Hey Ryan thank you so so much for the guidance! Sounds like I need to lower my expectations. And yes, I am also one of those people who have never house hacked before, so it definitely has been making me nervous! I know it's the best option for me to own in California though so I'll start considering the net worth ROI as well. Thank you so much! :)

Post: Does negative cash flow make sense for a CA property?

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Quote from @Rick Albert:

I think it would be good to set expectations.

With today's values and interest rates, it is unlikely you will live for free in a house hack for the first couple of years. You also need to factor in tax savings and the biggest of all...it is still likely better than renting.

Keep in mind if the numbers worked with a low down payment, why wouldn't someone putting 20% down snatch it up?

The Mello Roos can be a deal killer. I would compare it to other options that don't have it and see what makes more sense. For example I have clients who bought in Palmdale with a Mello Roos, but we noticed the neighborhoods were significantly nicer and therefore worth it. Plus the property had major future rental potential. 

Plus at $850/month, could that money be put to better use like buying a house? That's around another $100,000 in mortgage buying power. 

Thank you so much for these insights Rick. All really great things to consider! I will definitely re-evaluate my expectations, especially trying to buy in CA. 
Appreciate your help! 

Post: Does negative cash flow make sense for a CA property?

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Quote from @Eliott Elias:

Negative cash flow does not make sense unless you are house hacking. 


Thank you for your advice! Although I would be house hacking this property, the rental income would still not be enough to cover my entire monthly payment. 

Post: Does negative cash flow make sense for a CA property?

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Quote from @Randy Rodenhouse:

Negative cash flow is never something you should do even if you could afford it. 


 Thank you for the advice!

Post: Does negative cash flow make sense for a CA property?

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Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Brianna T.

If you cannot afford it without renters then I would not buy it.

Nice and simple. Thank you for the advice!

Post: Does negative cash flow make sense for a CA property?

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Also I would like to point out that one major con to this property is the high Mello-Roos tax ($850 per month). Should I consider that a deal breaker?

Post: Does negative cash flow make sense for a CA property?

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Should I purchase this CA house hack? Making the monthly payments on my own would be super tough if I couldn’t get the renters in the other 2 rooms (I would be pulling $700 a month out of savings). But being in California, I think the long term gain is worth it.. Right? 
Condo is a 3 bed / 2.5 bath new construction in an up and coming area (land development). 
Any advice is greatly appreciated!