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All Forum Posts by: Brian Dudash

Brian Dudash has started 10 posts and replied 36 times.

Post: 4-plex vs SFH Analysis - Need opinions

Brian DudashPosted
  • San Jose, CA
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 11

@Michael King @Jaysen Medhurst Did the links not work in my initial post? Sorry, I'm not a pro member so I'm not sure if others can see the reports? They still work for me though.

4plex: https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

SFH: https://www.biggerpockets.com/...


If those still don't work, I can put the numbers in a new post a little later today.

Post: 4-plex vs SFH Analysis - Need opinions

Brian DudashPosted
  • San Jose, CA
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 11

I'm in the process of looking at a SFH and a 4-plex. While running my numbers in my spreadsheet plus the BP calculators, I'm getting mixed results. Just note that this would be my first rental (w/ hopefully many more to come!) and I do have some cash to to get started (around 200k). At the moment, I've been looking at mainly "rent ready" places for my first rental since I would like to learn the ropes a bit more "on the job".

I've done a lot of reading, videos from various places (youtube and BP), etc but it still scared on trying to do a BRRRR type of property. Anyways, below are the 2 I've been recently looking at:

SFH:

Expected Purchase Price: 105k
Units: 1 (SFH)
Est. 2-3k for small fixes but then it's rent ready
Expected Rent: Between 1100 and 1200/month
Solid location (schools, parks, area, etc)
Net Operating Income: $8,038/yr
Cash Flow: $2,100 - 3,079/yr (depending on 1100 or 1200 for rent)

https://www.biggerpockets.com/... (not sure if this works since I'm not 'pro') - BP rental calc has it avg $4,680/yr (for 1100 rent), even though I put the same exact numbers/expenses, etc as in my spreadsheet...not sure what I'm missing or how that number is really calculated

4-Plex:

Expected Purchase Price: 250k
Units: 4 (MFH)
This is a recently rehabbed building, so no other upfront costs needed
All units are rented at 850 per unit, per month = 3,400/month (supposedly there is a wait list too, which I will be sent tomorrow)
Location is not the greatest (no crime issues, just in a more isolated location. For example, a drive to a big city is about 1 - 1.5 hours)

Net Operating Income: $18,104/yr

Cash Flow: $5,212/yr

https://www.biggerpockets.com/... (not sure if this works since I'm not 'pro') - BP rental calc has it avg $8,964/yr even though I put the same exact numbers/expenses, etc as in my spreadsheet...not sure what I'm missing or how that number is really calculated

Just to note -- that this specific county the 4-plex is located, they classify 3+ units as commercial. This doesn't stop me from renting it out to residential but I'm a little worried about the loan situation. I'm not worried about the loan for myself (have it ready to go), but mainly if I were to try and sell this building many years down the road because for me to get approved for a commercial loan was a bit of a pain and a process (hopefully it was just my "issue"). Maybe I'm just over thinking this part.

Also, the current owner does pay for all utilities (expect electric, but does have his own electric for the common areas of the building), he even pays for basic cable and internet (for each unit), which is factored into the #'s above (around $2,640/year for that bill). Like I mentioned before, the area isn't the greatest with regards to the location itself, not the crime or anything like that but because of this, the average rent for the area is only around 650 per 2bd/1ba, according to rentometer and zillow.

I believe that is why he "throws" in the basic cable/internet and utilities as "incentives" but I could be wrong.

Lastly, I'm not too worried about the short term (regarding the 4-plex), but in the long term. For example, is it possible that I have issues finding tenants int 5-7 years from now due to it's location? It's hard to say and no one really knows but some ppl say the area is slowly growing and has potential but others aren't as big of fans :)

Now my question:

Would you do either of these deals considering the information I've given? If so, which property would you go with?

Post: Possible 4-plex vs SFH Analysis

Brian DudashPosted
  • San Jose, CA
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 11

Anyone else have any opinions on either of these 2 deals? Trying to exhaust all angles on these 2... :)

Post: Possible 4-plex vs SFH Analysis

Brian DudashPosted
  • San Jose, CA
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 11

@Frank Chin thanks Frank for the quick lesson :)

This is out of state but back near my hometown area in Ohio, only about a 1 hr drive away.

Luckily I still have my family there so my parents are willing to help me out regarding being my "eyes" for showings. They already went to a few different houses and plan on going to this 4plex tomorrow.

Post: Possible 4-plex vs SFH Analysis

Brian DudashPosted
  • San Jose, CA
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 11

@Whitney Hutten The 4plex numbers are already accounting for the utilities.

You are right about the location..that's really the only thing making me hesitate pulling the trigger.

Post: Possible 4-plex vs SFH Analysis

Brian DudashPosted
  • San Jose, CA
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 11

I'm in the process of looking at a SFH and a 4-plex. While running my numbers in my spreadsheet plus the BP calculators, I'm getting mixed results. Just note that this would be my first rental (w/ hopefully many more to come!) and I do have some cash to to get started (around 200k). At the moment, I've been looking at mainly "rent ready" places for my first rental since I would like to learn the ropes a bit more "on the job".

I've done a lot of reading, videos from various places (youtube and BP), etc but it still scared on trying to do a BRRRR type of property. Anyways, below are the 2 I've been recently looking at:

SFH:

Expected Purchase Price: 105k
Units: 1 (SFH)
Est. 2-3k for small fixes but then it's rent ready
Expected Rent: Between 1100 and 1200/month
Solid location (schools, parks, area, etc)
Net Operating Income: $8,038/yr
Cash Flow: $2,100 - 3,079/yr (depending on 1100 or 1200 for rent)

https://www.biggerpockets.com/...    (not sure if this works since I'm not 'pro') - BP rental calc has it avg $4,680/yr (for 1100 rent), even though I put the same exact numbers/expenses, etc as in my spreadsheet...not sure what I'm missing or how that number is really calculated

4-Plex:

Expected Purchase Price: 250k
Units: 4 (MFH)
This is a recently rehabbed building, so no other upfront costs needed
All units are rented at 850 per unit, per month = 3,400/month (supposedly there is a wait list too, which I will be sent tomorrow)
Location is not the greatest (no crime issues, just in a more isolated location. For example, a drive to a big city is about 1 - 1.5 hours)

Net Operating Income: $18,104/yr

Cash Flow: $5,212/yr

https://www.biggerpockets.com/...   (not sure if this works since I'm not 'pro') - BP rental calc has it avg $8,964/yr even though I put the same exact numbers/expenses, etc as in my spreadsheet...not sure what I'm missing or how that number is really calculated

Just to note -- that this specific county the 4-plex is located, they classify 3+ units as commercial. This doesn't stop me from renting it out to residential but I'm a little worried about the loan situation. I'm not worried about the loan for myself (have it ready to go), but mainly if I were to try and sell this building many years down the road because for me to get approved for a commercial loan was a bit of a pain and a process (hopefully it was just my "issue"). Maybe I'm just over thinking this part.

Also, the current owner does pay for all utilities (expect electric, but does have his own electric for the common areas of the building), he even pays for basic cable and internet (for each unit), which is factored into the #'s above (around $2,640/year for that bill). Like I mentioned before, the area isn't the greatest with regards to the location itself, not the crime or anything like that but because of this, the average rent for the area is only around 650 per 2bd/1ba, according to rentometer and zillow.

I believe that is why he "throws" in the basic cable/internet and utilities as "incentives" but I could be wrong.

Lastly, I'm not too worried about the short term (regarding the 4-plex), but in the long term. For example, is it possible that I have issues finding tenants int 5-7 years from now due to it's location? It's hard to say and no one really knows but some ppl say the area is slowly growing and has potential but others aren't as big of fans :)

Now my question:

Would you do either of these deals considering the information I've given? If so, which property would you go with?

Post: Condos vs SFH Comparisons

Brian DudashPosted
  • San Jose, CA
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 11

@Frank Chin Thanks for the details explanation and example!

Post: Condos vs SFH Comparisons

Brian DudashPosted
  • San Jose, CA
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 11

For some reason I didn't think to look into condos in my area but based on my numbers, it looks like getting condos is better than SFH - whats the catch? Now for the great debate!

Googling around, this topic is talked about quite frequently but I want to get some BPers who may have experienced doing something what I'm about to explain or if you completely advise against it. I know one of the big downsides of condos is the HoA but even taking that into account, I can get 2 condos for the price of 1 decent SFH. The other potential "gotchas" could be the HoA board rules for things such as are you allowed to rent/lease it out and re-sell potential/issues but the ones I'm specifically looking at do mention that you are allowed to rent it out.

The condos that I've been looking at are listed for around $50,000 each (rent ready) and some of the SFH's I've been looking at are for around $100,000 (rent ready).

The cash needed upfront is ~50k (per condo - pay cash) and ~30k (per SFH - would come with mortgage)

Insurance is slightly cheaper for the Condos

Property tax is much cheaper for the Condos (avg ~1,200 per Condo and avg ~2,600 per SFH)

HoA fee does help cover parts of the CapEx for the condos (avg HoA per year is $1,200)

Average rent: for each Condo would be $750/month and $1,100/month for SFH

I estimate that 2 Condos (paid for in cash) would generate ~$8,960/yr (w/out PM)

I estimate that 1 SFH (25% down, 30yr mortgage @ 4.625%) would generate ~$1,855/yr (w/out PM) and for comparison sake, if I paid cash for this SFH ~$6,715/yr (w/out PM)

Am I missing something? To me, 2 condos looks waaaay better than 1 SFH...? I feel that if I can find these type of Condo "deals" that it would only take about 8 to get to my milestone number of $3k per month of net income compared to many more for the SFH (~19 or 20 SFH's)

Post: How to estimate income tax for rentals?

Brian DudashPosted
  • San Jose, CA
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 11

Thanks everyone for their input! Just like most ppl said here (and what I've read elsewhere too), is that it's not uncommon to either be at a loss or to have a very, very minimal amount. Makes me feel a bit better moving forward and I'll see what my "real" numbers are once it comes this time next year :)

Post: How to estimate income tax for rentals?

Brian DudashPosted
  • San Jose, CA
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 11

@Mark S. @Anthony Wick I'm just going to throw this out there but I know in the end I may need to end up speaking with a tax accountant in more depth, anyways here it goes:

With all of the possible deductions that I've been reading on and the examples some of the supplied, I'm still not clear on how to "roughly" calculate my expected taxable income from a prospective rental I'm currently looking at. The problem is it's a SFH that is not currently being rented so I cannot ask for any prior financials to help my estimation, however, based on the real property taxes, insurance, and est mortgage payments I have the followings scenario:

Purchase Price: $100,000

Total Value: $92,930

Building Value: $62,380 (based on the County Auditor's website)

Expected Rent: $1,150/month or $13,800/year

Est Mortgage: $4,765/yr (est interest for 1st year: $3,420)

Home Insurance: $650/yr

Property Tax: $2,850/yr

Repairs (10%): $1,380/yr

Vacancy (8%): $1,100/yr

CapEx (5%): $720/yr

(I plan on having the tenants pay all utilities) 

Regarding the taxable income part - for the depreciation (assuming 1 full year), I was able to come up with the following, if I read the examples correctly:

$2,439 (100,000 * .671 = $67,100 * .03636 = $2,449)

After that is where I'm confused. Since I only have the estimated repairs (10%), vacancy (8%), etc how would you estimate your taxable income based on the gross rental of $13,800? Then on top of the other deductions such as mortgage interest, repairs/maintenance, legal/pro fees, travel, etc - I'm trying to get as close as a number as I possibly can but I know every rental will be different based on variety of factors.

Even if I take the numbers that I have in full, is this calculation "formula" correct?

$13,800 (Gross Rent) - $2,449 (Depreciation) - $3,420 (Mortgage Int) - $2,850 (Property Tax) - $1,380 (Repairs) = $3,701 which is the taxable income?

Then take that taxable income of $3,701 and multiply that by your appropriate tax bracket %?