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All Forum Posts by: Brennan Tolman

Brennan Tolman has started 1 posts and replied 2 times.

Hey @Nicholas L., thanks for your response. I'll try to respond to each component of your comment:

- My idea of using an equity partnership as described above is coming from Brandon Turner's book "Investing in Real Estate With No (and Low) Money Down," and in the chapter on partnerships he goes through various why someone with cash may want to engage in a partnership. I'll refer you to that on that portion of your comment. He has a separate chapter on private lending.

- With scenario 2, here's the the project cash flow breakdown (per month):
Estimated Gross Rental Income: $3,400
Estimated Conventional Monthly Payment: $1,275
Private Loan Interest Payment (46K@10%): $383 
Estimated Monthly Operating Expenses: $1,500
Net Cash Flow: $242

Again, this idea comes from that same book by Brandon Turner. With the CapEx part of this, the 5% is the monthly amount to be saved for future CapEx (based on a BP recommendation). The seller did just perform quite a few renovations, and two units are already occupied, which is why the upfront rehab is currently $0.
So yes, this scenario doesn't yield much monthly cash flow, but we are trying to work with little money down so the thought was that it would at least get us into the property and then increase cash flow once the $46K loan is paid off. Obviously open to thoughts on this.

- Yes, I'm relatively new to this - in my first property I lived in it while doing the rehab myself and then rented it out for awhile before selling. No, I have not done something like what I am proposing, which is one reason why I'm looking for some input on this forum :)

- House hacking would be a good idea, but moving for my family is not an option right now. 

Overall, it sounds like you would deem this property not worth the investment? More expensive properties are less feasible for the resources we have available, but we are still looking.

Definitely appreciate your thoughts and ideas here.

Hi everyone! I have a property with the following attributes (summarized) and am hoping to get some guidance on the best way to finance with my business partner. 

Property Summary:
List Price: $230,000
Estimated Monthly Gross Rental Income*: $3,400
Estimated Monthly Operating Expenses**: $1,500
Net Cash Flow: $1,919

I have a business partner who may be interested in either a private lending of full equity arrangement, and I want to be sure that the deal is beneficial to him. However, I'm not sure which route is best.

Option 1: Equity Partnership
If he provides the full $230K, I cover closing costs and manage the property, and we split the cash flow 50:50, that would give us each $960 per month, $11,516 annually. If in the future we sell the property, he would reclaim the full $230 and we would split any profits from the sale 50:50. While I think this would be a good deal for me, the annual return for my partner would only be about 5%, though this does not take any future sale into account. What sort of return do equity partners typically ask for? Or do they care more about the consistent cash flow or possibly upside when selling the property?

Option 2: Private Loan
In this option, a promissory note is written for my partner to loan me the down payment amount (20%/$46K) for a 2-5 year term at a 10% interest rate (details are still up for negotiation - are these terms reasonable for this kind of deal?). This brings the cash flow for us to a little less than $300 a month after expenses. This is obviously much less, but the return for us is still around 30%. My partner for sure gets a 10% return. Downsides are that he gets none of the potential upside when the property may be sold down the line, and we have to find a way to ensure that we build enough equity in the property to do a cash-out refinance when the loan term ends to pay it off. 

Overall, which option seems like the better choice? What do private lenders or equity partners look for? There are pros and cons to both approaches, so I would love some input here :) Alternatively, if this doesn't seem like a good enough deal in general, please let me know what you think!

Notes:
*This value is based on rental comps in the area as well as the current lease agreement for one tenant
**Prior years' operating expenses were estimated based on current owner's actual operating expenses as provided by the listing agent. This amount includes utilities, taxes, insurance, repairs (8% of rents), vacancy (8% of rents), and capex (5% of rents).

Link to the Redfin listing: https://www.redfin.com/ME/Augusta/39-Oak-St-04330/home/99940...