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All Forum Posts by: Bradley Penrod

Bradley Penrod has started 2 posts and replied 13 times.

Originally posted by @Ley Nezifort:

@Joe Splitrock I definitely understand where you’re coming from. Thank you for sharing

 That was totally classic hahaha 

Post: Cap rate and COC in CottonWood Heights, Utah

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Thank you so much for this. Everything is helping. Is it okay to invest in a property without cash flow off the start?

Post: Cap rate and COC in CottonWood Heights, Utah

Bradley PenrodPosted
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Originally posted by @Steve Theobald:

All the prior comments are really good. Because of the growth of the past 6 years from when the Utah market bottomed in 2012, appreciation and principal pay down appear to be the only sane reasons to hold rentals in your portfolio in Utah - because compared to much of the rest of the country, the cash flow is lagging here. But for those with a longer term horizon, I have still been able to find a few SFR and Multi-family deals daily that work quite nicely on CoC and 10-year IRR. PM me if interested.

Do you think the cash flow in this area will change any time soon? My wife and I are thinking of buying a SFR, ;living in the basement apartment and renting upstairs.

Thanks Nicole. I really appreciate your feedback. Really! I am just learning all of this. 

Nicole, thank you so much for making me think a little outside of my mind. I may be reading too many post about others not having luck because luck is a numbers game. I could start to look at little more closely at distressed properties, my day job brings quite a bit to cover the cost of having someone to fix it up. I just don’t know too much about rehabbing and contractors.

Originally posted by @Nicole Heasley Beitenman:

Those who try to predict the market tend to see lower average returns than those who actively invest on an ongoing basis by making informed decisions based on current market conditions. What I'm saying is, you'll lose a lot of time, opportunity, and money by waiting. I started investing with $5k. Granted, I was young and house hacking. You know your market better than I do, and 9 months isn't that long if you really want to wait and build those reserves, but I can't imagine waiting until I had $100k saved up to get started. What have you done to find distressed sellers and below-market properties? What are other local investors doing to find deals? Are you active in your local REI community by attending meetups?

That being said, if you do decide to wait, there's a LOT you can do now to build your brand and reputation. Keep networking on BP and in person, read, listen to podcasts, and learn as much as you can between now and then. Good luck! 

Casey, thank you so much for responding. Just learning the ropes and need as much support as possible from pro level investors. I really appreciate your input.

Originally posted by @Casey Christensen:

Hey @Bradley Penrod

I totally get where you are coming from. I have been budgeting and saving for a couple years now and keep wondering if now is the right time, or if we will see a market correction soon and have been trying to be "patient". I have used the time to educate myself on the different strategies of investing and have decided to invest now if I find the right opportunity. 

I love what @Neil Henderson shared with the 3 immutable laws. If you follow them you can survive during a downturn and then you are that much better positioned to thrive as the market comes back. You will have the network and experience in place to have a much bigger head start on everyone who waited until the downturn happened to try and start building the relationship and closing deals. You will already have the reputation of being someone who closes deals and the best deals will come to you first.

I agree that Utah is a tough market right now and is really hard to find deals that cashflow. that is why I have started looking out of state. David Green has a book on long distance RE investing and it is all about building a team of the right people. If you are thinking you want to get in the game, it may be worth considering investing out of state. 

Good luck in whatever direction you choose to go.

Thank you so much for you response! Yeah, my wife and I think that we need to wait till we have the reserves, $100,000 seems suffice. Point number 3 is so right on, cash reserves are exactly what I was thinking would be the key strategy to weathering a storm such as a recession.

AND, in this Utah market, cash flow is a toughie unless you buy the house with a mother-in-law. Multi units here DO NOT cash flow unless place 30% down or more. An investment that is not cash flowing would mean I am loosing more money during a downturn.

I am in the same boat bro. I do not think there is anything yet. I have been looking into Ogden. We were planning on a house hack here on the Salt Lake Area but that is not going to work out due to the inventory being over price. WE DO NOT want to live in Ogden. Can you buy a property, showing intent to live in it, leaving the unit vacant not committing fraud?