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All Forum Posts by: Bo Wagner

Bo Wagner has started 5 posts and replied 23 times.

Post: Critical information about wiring funds and fraudulent listings

Bo WagnerPosted
  • Attorney
  • Brookhaven, GA
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 26

​I want to remind people that there are so many scams out there right now. If you see a real estate deal that seems 'too good to be true', it may very well be! People in the ATL area have been utilizing Facebook Marketplace and Zillow to market homes they don't own! They also use a law firm/attorney name to try to 'legitimize' the transaction (including previously using our firm name). ​The catch? They send emails from fake email addresses, the phone numbers are eventually disconnected and people are sending earnest money (and purchase money) by wire without confirming the wire information.

​​If you plan to wire funds, it may be fine to receive wire instructions via email--it's what you do after receiving them that is critical. What if someone hacked an email? Who is listed as the receiving party? Is the bank listed local/national? The key thing is to google the recipient separately. If you google them and the numbers match, that's a good sign! Either way, confirm with the recipient before sending a dime. Confirm with the recipient to obtain the routing number for their bank, their account number and any other information they may need. Don't rely on anything without independently verifying yourself!

Post: Left my W-2 job for Full-Time Real Estate 18 months ago today...

Bo WagnerPosted
  • Attorney
  • Brookhaven, GA
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 26

Very cool to hear about a local success story!  Keep it up/keep us posted!  I have several other investors who left their 'day jobs' to invest full-time and I love to share in their successes!  

Post: Completed my first Flip in Canton ga.

Bo WagnerPosted
  • Attorney
  • Brookhaven, GA
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 26

Looks great!   Now if you need help from a great ATL area closing attorney, give me a shout!    

Post: Diary of a Rental Property

Bo WagnerPosted
  • Attorney
  • Brookhaven, GA
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 26

Makes you miss my low fees, eh?  : )  Kudos!  

Post: Comments on Closing Costs; can translate for Investors as well!

Bo WagnerPosted
  • Attorney
  • Brookhaven, GA
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 26

THIS ARTICLE some great points about saving money on closing costs.  It's written for residential owner-occupants but it really has a few thoughts that are  good advice for investors as well! A few things to point out--depending on your region/State, Title insurance rates may be set by statute (e.g. Florida) or are set by the title insurance company (as they are here in GA).  For the record, most title companies in GEORGIA do NOT offer re-issue rates so ignore that part of the story if you're in my state--ask a title company where you live if they offer that service as it truly varies (but most companies try to avoid re-issue rates).

One other comment that needs to be 'tweaked' is about closing on the last day of the month. YES you'd save the most in interest if you close the last day of the month or close to it. BUT how much is your time worth? Or better yet-how much is your STRESS level worth? I can guarantee that MOST closing issues are due to rushed deals such as on month-end or for FRIDAY closings. If it were me (after 20 years doing closings) I'd prefer to close the week of the 25th or so on a Wednesday. Why Wednesday? People think they have to close on Friday so they can move the next day. If there is a problem with your closing (perhaps your wire didn't come in time?) it may not FUND. If you have no money, you're not getting keys! Back when I closed for a National builder, if you don't have money, you don't get keys (actually the best policy!). Did they care about your $150/hour moving company idling in the cul-de-sac? NO. If you close on Wednesday, you STILL move on Friday and you also have 2 bonus days to 'fix' problems like missing wires, walk-through issues, etc.  It's the same for you as an investor--if you close on a Friday or at month-end, chances are you will be sitting in a lawyer's office (or title company office) waiting your turn.

Finally, DO check into the firm where you're 'told' to close. Are they customer-service driven?  Can you find reviews online?  That can be important and also check into what your peers say about that firm.   Cheers, Bo

Post: Deed is DONE: Issues related to deeds (GA focus)

Bo WagnerPosted
  • Attorney
  • Brookhaven, GA
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 26

At the same time, I'm pretty clear that this is only for Georgia but I understand your concerns.  

Yes, like everyone else, I would love to drum up business; but if you knew me personally you may realize that I actually am here to help.  I just hung up the phone from a 29 minute call from an English investor potentially making his first purchase in the US.  Maybe I'll get the closing; maybe I won't.  Either way, there won't be a bill issued for my time on that call but hopefully he learned something from the call that he can use in his investing career--with me or without me--and that's the goal I had in posting about deeds.  I don't know everything about deeds and I am actually not a fan of some of the attorneys who dust off their books for arcane references to what 'could' happen in a transaction. I'm more worried about getting deals closed and making sure that my investors received good service.  

With that being said, if educational posts are not a good thing for BP, I'd love to hear feedback from 'the powers that be' and I'll stop.  I certainly don't want to do something contrary to the goals of the site or cause any distress, etc.  (and thanks for the 'young' comment; it will keep me warm and fuzzy when I turn 49 in November ; )  

Post: Deed is DONE: Issues related to deeds (GA focus)

Bo WagnerPosted
  • Attorney
  • Brookhaven, GA
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 26

The last time I wrote about deeds I discussed the different forms of deeds, such as Quit-Claim Deeds, Security Deeds and Warranty Deeds. Look for “Doing the Deed” elsewhere in BP.  

This time I’m going to discuss several issues relating to deeds.  As noted, this is written with a Georgia focus; I would venture a guess that this info is similar info for the rest of the Country but again, your mileage may vary.  This was originally written mainly for consumers, to review their own deeds (to their homes) but there is a section that is important if two individuals (or families, etc.) purchase a property together--one slip of legalese could create a burden to the families after the passing of one of the owners.   Likewise, the info relating to Divorce may apply to investors as well.  


If you own a property by yourself, it’s solely in your name. That’s a simple concept; not much to understand about that. If you own a piece of property with someone else, the specific language in that deed is very important. Let’s say a property was conveyed to Sonny and Cher (note to anyone under 40: Google them). Yep, no question about it--Sonny and Cher own their property; that’s simple enough. BUT, if you look to comm "unintended consequences", if it’s just spelled out that Sonny and Cher are the owners (with no other special language) there could be issues lurking down the road. If you’re curious, that type of deed would be called “Tenants in Common”. Put that thought on hold and let’s try another scenario.

I won’t bore you with statutes and history but years ago the Georgia legislature created another deed concept called “Joint Tenants with Right of Survivorship”. That meant that if Sonny and Cher took title as Joint Tenants, they more or less owned the entire property together—however, if either one of them passed away, the title to the entire tract would pass to the other immediately as an operation of law.

The distinction for these two deed formats is specific to the language. As noted, the Joint Tenants deed passes title immediately upon the death of one of the Joint Tenants. Contrast that with Tenants in Common—picture a big line drawn through the property. With Tenants in Common each “Tenant” owns their “half”. So if Sonny died, Cher still owns her half but now Sonny’s estate owns the other half. This may or may not be a big deal—if Sonny has a will giving everything to Cher, then she gets the entire property just like the Joint Tenants deed. The difference? With the Joint Tenants deed, Cher would have received the property ‘automatically’ upon Sonny’s death. With the Tenants in Common, Cher has to Probate the Will through the Court system or Administer the estate if there was no will. Either process involving the court will cost money and time—something that Cher may not have depending on her situation. If she received the property through the Joint Tenancy deed, she can do what she needs immediately, no waiting! 


Take a look at the deed to your own house. TYPICALLY attorneys will default to creating a Joint Tenants With Rights of Survivorship for closing OR they will give you the option. If that’s your intent, great, the JTWROS deed is a useful tool. Take a look at your parents’ deed—was it an older deed that just has both of their names (Tenants in Common) OR was it just in ONE of their names? Again, through the court system, a surviving spouse will ‘eventually’ be able to receive the property BUT why put up barriers that involve time and expense?

What if you own a vacation house with another family? If by mistake the lawyers used a JTWROS deed, then if Family Dad 1 dies then Family Dad 2 would own the complete property. Most likely that won’t be an issue (e.g. will Family Dad 2 effectively kick out the heirs of Family Dad 1? He could!) but we attorneys hear all sorts of horror stories (and even within families—it’s weird how money can induce craziness into families).  As a side note, what if they did fix the situation--there still could be tax issues for Dad 2 to transfer a portion back to the family of Dad 1...

What about a ‘blended’ family? Take the Brady Bunch. If Mr. Brady wanted only HIS sons to receive his interest in his property, then Tenants in Common may be the way to go for him. That way Mrs. Brady would keept her share at Mr. Brady's death and the sons would get their share through the estate of Mr. Brady. However, there could be a LOT of issues that could come up so you really need to think things through and PLAN with both the deed and a well-crafted Will (or a well-written Operating Agreement that covers any kind of 'what if' you can think of!). 

One final issue to discuss is Divorce. So Sonny and Cher hit a rough patch and decide to go their own way. In the divorce decree (the ‘road map’ to the divorce, more or less a contract telling what must happen) it says Sonny will deed the house to Cher, so he does. Now Cher owns the house, right? Here’s the classic “What if” situation—what if Sonny and Cher had a loan? Well, Cher may own the house, but BOTH Sonny and Cher are tied together through the loan. Actually, look at it this way—Sonny and Cher’s CREDIT is tied together through the loan. If Sonny wants to buy his own place, he may not be able to do so until Cher pays off that loan or refinances that loan ‘solo’ (e.g. Sonny is no longer on a loan tied to the old house). Again, a simple concept, but I get calls or emails all the time relating to this. More “what if’s” for you—now let’s say Cher stops paying the mortgage; obviously her credit is trashed and she may lose the house. BUT guess whose credit is also trashed? Sonny’s, because he is still on the loan! He may never know this until he is turned down for a Home Depot credit card or something much more important like his own loan or even a job! Investor deal with a 'break-up' of some nature?  Ditto!


On a similar note, what if Cher got the house and the divorce decree actually states clearly that Cher must refinance or sell the house to get Sonny’s interest released? That is a great idea and ANY divorce attorney should make sure that is in the decree (with time limits!). BUT (there’s always a but, right??)—what if the house is ‘upside down’ and cannot be sold or refinanced? These are serious concerns with no easy answer. I just want to point out some of these issues so that you can properly plan for the future should this event happen to you.

The moral of the story? You should get thee to the file cabinet, safety deposit box or simply contact your closing attorney and find out how you hold title to your property (and again, ask your parents, grandparents or kids, etc.). At a minimum it’s best to have both spouses on title and ‘in general’ it’s best to have a Joint Tenant With Rights of Survivorship Deed. As noted, everyone’s situation is different (I didn’t even touch on tax liabilities, which I’m not really qualified to do!) so start by looking at your deed and then consult your estate planning attorney, CPA and real estate attorney to do what’s right for you! 


As always, if you find some generic deed online, you’ll probably get what you pay for (meanwhile, your home is merely your most important asset but what’s $50, eh?). Likewise, I saw a will creator program at my local warehouse club for $45. All I can say is this—you may be dead, but do you want to burden your family with a ‘what if’ that comes to life due to some wacky software glitch? Let me know how I can help, either a quick review of your deed and/or revision as well as helping to craft a simple will for you that’s in line with your current situation. I’d love to help serve you! Thanks as always for reading, take care! Bo

Post: Crowdfunder for Flipping?

Bo WagnerPosted
  • Attorney
  • Brookhaven, GA
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 26

I really just thought it was an interesting idea that i hadn't seen yet.  Some people are always looking for hard-money lenders and it seemed like an interesting concept.  So far I'm still seeing cash deals and hard-money loans with my ATL investors.   A lot of people are asking about tax liens here; guess that will be the new 'thing'!

Post: Crowdfunder for Flipping?

Bo WagnerPosted
  • Attorney
  • Brookhaven, GA
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 26

Thanks for the info; that is definitely good to know.  I like the marketing concept; I wouldn't have thought of that at all!  

Post: Crowdfunder for Flipping?

Bo WagnerPosted
  • Attorney
  • Brookhaven, GA
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 26

Or, here is the article link:  http://www.inman.com/2014/09/22/crowdfunder-to-funnel-73m-in-financing-to-home-flippers/