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All Forum Posts by: Bob S.

Bob S. has started 87 posts and replied 6293 times.

Post: Seller needs two weeks after closing to move out

Bob S.Posted
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Quote from @Steve K.:
Quote from @Bob S.:
Quote from @Steve K.:

Interesting to hear that people aren’t familiar with this as it is very common. It’s called a post-closing occupancy agreement in my area. Just get a security deposit that you hold in escrow from the seller’s net proceeds (as high as you can negotiate or is legally allowable in your area, in my area the most you can do is 1 months rent) and have the sellers sign a lease/ post closing occupancy agreement like a normal tenant. You can include a steep penalty per day that you charge if they fail to move out by the agreed-upon date or hold more money in escrow if you don’t trust them to move out. I can see doing the roof and starting on the exterior while they are still there but anything inside I’d probably wait on. Everything is negotiable. 


 Sorry but this is terrible advice. 1200- 1500 hold back,, no, 10k minimum, 


 Where did I say 1200-1500? Did you mean to reply to someone else? I literally said "as high as you can negotiate or is legally allowable". In some areas there are rules around what you can and can't charge as a security deposit is all I was saying. It's good that Miguelli is working with a competent local agent who knows what they're doing, knows the local rules that apply to his situation as well as what is customary for the market, and has done this before. Miguelli, I would just go with your agent's advice on this seeing as they probably do this all the time successfully. The one thing you might ask them about if it's not already in the contract is a per diem charge if the seller doesn't move out by the agreed-upon date. I usually do $250-1,000 per day depending on the price point. I've never had a problem with the seller not moving out personally but it's good to have protections in place if that happens such as a stiff charge for every day that they stay past the lease/PCOA term.


 I APOLOGIZE, I thought I read hold 1 month SD, Sorry I am working " fast" as the Hurrican is heading my way, shutting it down in a bit, 

Post: Seller needs two weeks after closing to move out

Bob S.Posted
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Quote from @Steve K.:

Interesting to hear that people aren’t familiar with this as it is very common. It’s called a post-closing occupancy agreement in my area. Just get a security deposit that you hold in escrow from the seller’s net proceeds (as high as you can negotiate or is legally allowable in your area, in my area the most you can do is 1 months rent) and have the sellers sign a lease/ post closing occupancy agreement like a normal tenant. You can include a steep penalty per day that you charge if they fail to move out by the agreed-upon date or hold more money in escrow if you don’t trust them to move out. I can see doing the roof and starting on the exterior while they are still there but anything inside I’d probably wait on. Everything is negotiable. 


 Sorry but this is terrible advice. 1200- 1500 hold back,, no, 10k minimum, 

Post: Seller needs two weeks after closing to move out

Bob S.Posted
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Quote from @Miguelli Fernandez:
Quote from @Joe S.:
Quote from @Miguelli Fernandez:

Hi BP looking to see if anyone has experienced this before…

Been working a deal out with my agent (well known on this forum and has great reviews) and trying to close on my first out of state rental property. I was initially looking for a turnkey property but after finding this deal and going down the rabbit hole it has turned into a BRRRR.

Property is well priced and seller agreed to lower price after inspection was done and scope of work completed by GC. Both parties have agreed on price however seller needs max of two weeks after closing to move out since they need funds from the deal to move. 

I’d like the begin rehab as soon as possible and PM will be managing the rehab for 10% of rehab price. Per the agent, ok to start rehab while seller still in there for a few days up to two weeks.  my main goal is to just get the roof in before weather gets bad.

is there anything I can do aside from a 3k escrow holdback suggested by my agent to prevent getting burned?  I’m worried they won’t leave or damage the property. (Property is already in poor shape). Agent says this happens all the time.

A 3K hold back is very small. If you’re nervous, ask for a larger hold back. 
Even for purchase price of 62k?

 I told you EXACTLY what to do as I have done it many times in Clev. 10k MINIMUM, and DO NOT do any reno while they are there. Holding one month SD as someone mentioned is sorry but absurd. 99% of the time they do not leave on time. They drag it out and yes some will have to be evicted. So 2, 3 months NO rent plus 1kish legal fees. 

Post: Beginner in Real Estate Investment

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Quote from @Sasank Kuditipudi:

Hello All,

This is Sasank. I'm from Irvine, California. I've been trying to get into the real estate investment for a bit. This forum looks interesting and helpful with real conversations. I'm looking into out of the state investments and would love to connect with people.


 Do what many from Ca have done and are still doing, buying rentals in the mid-west, 

Good luck 

Post: Utah Eviction? How long till you’re allowed to file?

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Quote from @Tiago Alencar:

How long do you have to wait if the renters are late on their rent before you’re allowed to file an eviction notice here in Utah? Also sounds like there are different types of eviction?! Is there a specific one for this situation? What information or materials would I need to file one?


 Call your ATTORNEY ! 

Post: Seller needs two weeks after closing to move out

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Quote from @Miguelli Fernandez:
Quote from @Theresa Harris:

Depending on the price of the home and what rent is, you may want to hold back more. If it is a $100K home, then $3K may be enough.  You want it to be enough that they do what is needed to get it back. Also ensure that the home is in the same condition as when you viewed it and put that as a condition of releasing escrow.  Find out what the going rate is for rent, increase it a bit for the shorter term and if they stay over 14 days, have a per day fee that escalates if they stay longer.

They can always get short term rental to stay in and put their stuff in storage.

I would NOT start any work until they are out.  There is too much risk of damaging their belongings and work will be slower as people are working around things. Plus if you are worried about the seller damaging the place, then inviting contractors in to do work is asking for trouble...redoing the roof immediately after closing is completely doable.

This is great info thank you… Price of home is 62k with roughly 40k-55k rehab with market rent at $1350.  3k enough?  Why is the roof ok to do while they’re in there still?

 How do you know 60k reno is really the price it should be, 60K is a MASSIVE job, 

Roof, 5- 8k, assuming, 25- 30 sq, Furnace $1700k, HW 1300, Spackle Paint, 3kish.  Drylock and paint the basement, 1500ish. Flooring  LVP throughout 6kish assuming 1200- 1400 sq ft. Round up that's 20k, not really.  Where is the other 40k? Windows, 350 a pop, avg 20 windows call it 7k, so 27k on the high side, again where is 50k coming from? 

Post: Seller needs two weeks after closing to move out

Bob S.Posted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Cleveland
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Quote from @Miguelli Fernandez:

Hi BP looking to see if anyone has experienced this before…

Been working a deal out with my agent (well known on this forum and has great reviews) and trying to close on my first out of state rental property. I was initially looking for a turnkey property but after finding this deal and going down the rabbit hole it has turned into a BRRRR.

Property is well priced and seller agreed to lower price after inspection was done and scope of work completed by GC. Both parties have agreed on price however seller needs max of two weeks after closing to move out since they need funds from the deal to move. 

I’d like the begin rehab as soon as possible and PM will be managing the rehab for 10% of rehab price. Per the agent, ok to start rehab while seller still in there for a few days up to two weeks.  my main goal is to just get the roof in before weather gets bad.

is there anything I can do aside from a 3k escrow holdback suggested by my agent to prevent getting burned?  I’m worried they won’t leave or damage the property. (Property is already in poor shape). Agent says this happens all the time.

 Ok 1st off, who told you this was a good deal. PLEASE do not say the realtor? NO do NOT do any reno while they are still there. Also, who told you the reno amount and do you know what it should really cost, not just taking some GC word for it ? 3K never. I always do NEVER less than 10k. It seems you do not have a team, ( this will not end well) NO your realtor is not part of your team.  I have extensive experience there and more than happy to guide you through this. I see so many getting ripped off and WAY overpaying for props. You are doing your 1st deal there with a 50k reno, NOT wise. 

Post: Looking for Cash Flowing Rentals for Under $200k

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Quote from @Elvin William:
Quote from @Bob S.:
Quote from @Elvin William:
Quote from @James Wise:
Quote from @Richard Wilkinson:

I'm a Los Angeles based Realtor w/ 17 years of experience and I am looking to invest out of California.  At this point I would like to keep each purchase under $200k.  Can anyone recommend any markets where one can make a purchase for $200k or less and still have positive cashflow?


 Entire Midwest playa. Cleveland, Detroit, Toledo, Indy etc......Throw a dart at a map and you'll find a town that you can do that in.


 But what cities you recommend for section 8 cash flow city from the city you named?


 Clev and Detroit are very similar. In Cleveland I just got 1700 for a 4 br , all in 75k, $900 for a 1 br in the hood in my apartment building . 

Is there high demand for section 8 in Cleveland and are they picky where they want to stay? Do you have property management?

 Tenants are the easy part. I have everything in place 

Post: Looking for Cash Flowing Rentals for Under $200k

Bob S.Posted
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Quote from @Elvin William:
Quote from @James Wise:
Quote from @Richard Wilkinson:

I'm a Los Angeles based Realtor w/ 17 years of experience and I am looking to invest out of California.  At this point I would like to keep each purchase under $200k.  Can anyone recommend any markets where one can make a purchase for $200k or less and still have positive cashflow?


 Entire Midwest playa. Cleveland, Detroit, Toledo, Indy etc......Throw a dart at a map and you'll find a town that you can do that in.


 But what cities you recommend for section 8 cash flow city from the city you named?


 Clev and Detroit are very similar. In Cleveland I just got 1700 for a 4 br , all in 75k, $900 for a 1 br in the hood in my apartment building . 

Post: Looking for Cash Flowing Rentals for Under $200k

Bob S.Posted
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Quote from @Richard Wilkinson:

I'm a Los Angeles based Realtor w/ 17 years of experience and I am looking to invest out of California.  At this point I would like to keep each purchase under $200k.  Can anyone recommend any markets where one can make a purchase for $200k or less and still have positive cashflow?


 Closing this month on more props, SF and duplex, all will have no less then 15% -20% NET income, all are under 100k all are OOS