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All Forum Posts by: Bob Asad

Bob Asad has started 30 posts and replied 57 times.

Does anyone have much success buying SFH with seller financing? (meaning you're the buyer)

Ex. Vacant SFH, absentee owner, 100% equity

You send a direct mail or postcard asking the seller how much they want for their property. Let's say $300k, you then agree to the purchase price but add your own terms (ex. 0% interest, 5% down, 16 years to pay back).

This way, you're paying (example) $1,800/month but renting the property for $2,400/month and pocketing the difference.

Anyone have success doing such a thing?

1. Also, what's the name of this type of contract where it's just between you and the seller? (no banks involved)

2. Anyone have a direct mail or postcard service they recommend for such a scenario?

Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Bob Asad:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:

yes its called a wrap..  google "all inclusive Deed of Trust" fantastic CA document we used all the way back in the early 80s


 If I'm not mistaken though a wrap would require the 2nd buyer to also agree to financing terms; which would be the same as me (the 1st buyer). In other words, two financing agreements "wrapped" together.

But the goal here would be for the 2nd buyer to close all-cash (to skip the financing process), would that still work? Meaning they buy the property at once. If this is the case, would the original seller financing have to mention that the buyer (me) can re-sell the property at any time?


if the second buyer is paying cash then your done they pay your off and your first note.. off to the next one.. I guess I dont understand what you asking.

are you asking can a buyer cash out your equity and just take over your seller financed loan. Answer sure.. have to check if there is a due on sale clause or if you have a PG to the orignal seller.. that mortgage stays in your name unless there is a formal assumption 

 Maybe the example is more challenging for a house as the property.

Ex. with vacant land - seller finances to me $20k with 5% down and $1k/mo

Can I after 1-2 months, then resell the land to a cash buyer for $25k, pay off the original $20k and pocket the $5k?

If so, does the original seller finance contract need to say "buyer can resell at any time without prepayment penalties"?

Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:

yes its called a wrap..  google "all inclusive Deed of Trust" fantastic CA document we used all the way back in the early 80s


 If I'm not mistaken though a wrap would require the 2nd buyer to also agree to financing terms; which would be the same as me (the 1st buyer). In other words, two financing agreements "wrapped" together.

But the goal here would be for the 2nd buyer to close all-cash (to skip the financing process), would that still work? Meaning they buy the property at once. If this is the case, would the original seller financing have to mention that the buyer (me) can re-sell the property at any time?

Does anyone have experience with reselling a seller financed land or property? (Is this legal?)

For example, let's say you get a 10 acre vacant land for $100k but have it seller financed, so it's $10k down and $1k/mo for x number of years. Can you then advertise the land to resell to another buyer (cash) for $120k and then pay off the original seller, and pocket the $20k?

Same with a house, can you get seller financing on a $500k house and put $50k down, and pay $2k/mo, but then immediately find a buyer (ex. 1-3 months) and sell it for $550k and pocket the $50k?

Are there any rules, laws, or regulations regarding this? What types of contracts would you need?

And would this be considered "capital gains" since it's re-sold under 1-year therefore having to pay a large % of tax on the profit?

Let's say there's 3 properties in a 1-mile radius with 5b/3b, but one is a foreclosure and the other 2 are regular conventional sales.

If you're doing a comp for your subject (4th) property, do you have to take the foreclosure one into consideration?

Ex. Property 1 and 2 sold for $750k, but the foreclosure (3rd) sold for $500k

As you can see, the foreclosure heavily skews the comp.

Quote from @Bruce Lynn:

I have not bought tax deeds in FL but donon Texas.

#1.  Lots of swamp land for sale...so know what you are buying and know what your exit strategy is.  Easy to buy, not as easy to sell.

#2 Read the property code 2-3 times before you start ....the tax sale portion.  Usually you can find this online.

#3 Chances are you will never buy a $500,000 property for $30,000.  They may never actually go to sale, they will get bid up or there is way more to the story.  Those are like 1 in 10000 opportunities.  Could happen but very rare. 

#4 See everything you plan to buy in person.  Not online not in Google aat view, not Google Street view.   That helps you eliminate properties but not decide what to buy.   I have visited many where street view looks awesome and of course you get excited.  Get there in person and find the house in a sink hole or wrapped in meth lab tape or some other huge issue not seen online.

#5 There used to be a lady named Sandra Edmonds I believe and she went by the name of TAx Lien Lady.  I believe she is out of Palm Beach.  I don't know her, never met her, never went to her classes, but from what I saw on YouTube she seemed to know her stuff and classes were reasonable.  If I were going to buy in FL I would get to her class if still offered.


 Thanks for the information. Regarding #2, do you have an example of what is defined as the "property code"? (are you referring to zoning?)
For #3, I see multiple properties being sold like this, not $30k; but $200k properties being sold at tax deed auctions for $50k-75k

#4 - I don't see how this could be realistic, how would someone have time or money to visit every single property in person especially when participating in multiple auctions across the state?

Quote from @Robert B.:

Generally….Avoid HOA foreclosures. Also, Since my buy box is pretty narrow, even though I'm pretty good at doing the title research myself, I'll still pull a title report for each one. I'll also call code enforcement and check the county records just to see when things like roof/hvac have been done/permitted.


 So are you spending $100s of dollars per property prior to the tax deed auction for title research?

Anyone done tax deeds in Florida or participated in the auctions?

What are the watch outs or steps that you recommend?

Often times, there's houses or land worth $500k listed with an opening bid of $30k which is a fantastic deal; however, if you were to win the auction, there may be multiple liens and $100s of thousands of hidden fees that you have to pay at once (based on what I read online). So it may end up costing you $400k within 30-60 days without any financing options.

How do people overcome this when you do your due diligence? Do you hire a title company for all the properties you're interested in before the auction? (ex. you like 20 properties, would you pay $150 x 20 properties before the day of the auction?) In other words, you would have already invested thousands prior to the auction just to research the properties and their titles.

What is your recommendation because without doing a proper title search (which sometimes takes weeks and passes the auction date), how would you know if what you're buying is a good investment?

I've been reading more about subject to and here's what I've learned:

-Good for sellers who are off market

-Have low to no equity

-Have a mortgage with a low interest rate (less than 5%)

-Be absentee or out of state (vacant property, or have a tenant)

The buyer would then take over the mortgage payments, and have the seller sign the deed over to the buyer. The mortgage would stay under the seller's name.

The buyer could then rent out the unit, renovate, etc. to increase cash flow or make more money.

But aside from a possible "due on clause" being called by the mortgage company, what's the benefit to the seller?

They are held hostage by the buyer until the buyer fully pays off the mortgage. So the seller cannot go get another loan for a car, house, apartment, etc. so it damages their credit by stretching them too thin.

Am I missing something? In other words, it doesn't make sense for the seller. And equally for the buyer, if you want to renovate and refinance or cash out, wouldn't you have to pay off the entire mortgage at that point and the bank would know it was always the buyer paying off and not the seller?

Quote from @David Krulac:

There seems to be a mis-understanding about what ESCROW accounts are.  There are NO minimium balances.  When the tenant moves out and the funds are distributed either to the tenant or the landlord for damages, then the subaccount for that specific tenant has a zero balance and that subaccount is closed.  Each subaccount is for a seperate tenant with THEIR unique SSN.  Its not my account, its not my SSN and its not my money up and until the end of that tenants occupancy and the funds revert to them or to the landlord for damages.  We also have a different ESCROW account that holds the deposits for buyers purchasing our listed properties.  Those funds are not mine until there is a sales settlment, or default or refund to the buyer.  Its not my money.  And all the tenants' security deposits and all the buyers'Earnest Money Deposits don't need my asset protection, as they are not my funds, and are certainly not covered by any of our Umbrella Insurance Policies. 


 I was thinking of combining all tenants security deposits into one Bank of America checking account, is this not the right way to go?