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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 5 posts and replied 16 times.

Post: Is this legal?

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Originally posted by Stephen McKee:
Another simple solution is a seller carry back and then refi. You'll probably have to give a years interest up front and agree to a balloon note.


Could you explain this a little more for me please?

Post: Is this legal?

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Originally posted by Jon Holdman:
Probably not. The main lender often has a CLTV limit that restricts you from borrowing 100% of the down payment.

What you could do is to syndicate the deal. You line up investors to provide money, use that for the down payment and working capital, then get a loan for the remainder. That's a fairly complex process and will involve significant legal fees.


How do you pay back the investors who provide the down payment and working capital?

Post: Is this legal?

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Thank you for that, I found it very informational. Is there any other way to get down payment assistance? Can you get a private lender to loan you the money assuming there is enough cash flow in the property to take on both a mortgage and another loan?

Post: Is this legal?

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Could someone describe to me how down payment assistance works? I saw someone advertising they needed down payment assistance funding.

The purchase price was $2.5 mil, the mortgage was $2.0 mil and the DPA was $500,000 with $50K additional wired back the same day. How is that possible?

Post: Working up Details on Possible investement

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Originally posted by Jon Holdman:
Yes, the 50% rule applies to apartments. I assume you mean an apartment building, though the way you say that is a little unclear. Owning a "bunch" of anything will put you closer to that number each year. With one, you can get lucky or unlucky and be pretty far off 50% in any particular year. With 50, you're going to be very close, overall.

A duplex could be considered multi-family. For lending purposes, 1-4 units fall into the Fannie Mae type conventional loans, where 5+ requires a commercial loan. For building codes, 1-2 may be under one code (e.g., the International Residential Code) while anything larger falls under a different code. For tax purposes (depreciation), they're all "residential".

Expenses on a poorly operated multi can be much higher, even over 100%. Those are turn around opportunities, if you have the experience and financial ability to do it.

Would you be willing to talk about the Colorado market with me? That is actually where I want to go and I would love to hear any advice you could give me.

Post: Working up Details on Possible investement

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Thank you for that, I didn't even think about that (ooppps).

What is the difference between a MFR and SFR? What qualifies a property or unit as a MFR (are apartments multi-family resedences?)? And, how do you determine Expenses for a MFR?

I've seen the 50% rule for SFR but would that apply to a bunch of 1 bedroom apartments?

Post: Working up Details on Possible investement

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When I'm looking into a property for investment (a rental), what are the factors I'm evaluating?

I know that I need to know purchase price, gross monthly income, I'll determing expenses per 50% rule, my loan payments to determine cash flow, and what else?

Thank you for being patient with me.

Post: Confused about securing funding

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I think an example would be best for this:

Lets say I have option A a property where the loan is $100,000. The rent is $2,000/month because we live in perfect land. Using the 50% rule:

Expenses: $1000 per month
Loan (minus taxes and insurance cause I don't know that) @ 30 years for 7.25%: 682.17
Profit: $317.83 (this is a SFR)

Now, in corner B we have a $1,300,000 property. It has x amount of units generating a gross monthly income of $26,000.

Expenses: $13,000
Loan for the same term and finance rate: $8,868.29
Profit: $4,131.71

Now, is that accurate? The major difference in these examples is that I can't cover the $8,868.29 mortgage with my salary. I also don't know insurance and tax costs. The loans are secured by the property value. Let's say option A's true value is $120,000 and option B's value is $1,450,00 for sake of securing a loan at 80-90% of the property's value. The loan would include closing costs, ect because I have a great lender (again, all speculative).

Post: Confused about securing funding

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To my knowledge, I have great credit. I've spent the last 3 years building my credit. I have successfully managed credit cards and two loans (for a car and computer).

My cash flow is the real problem because it doesn't support much more than a $100,000 loan. So my question is, if my funding is supported by current income from the property, would the amount of the loan matter?

To anwer the statement about having no rental experience: I would be building off the experience of others. I would use the experience of my mother (who managed a 243 unit property for 5 years) and the experiences of others here to help build my ability to manage a property.

I realize that isn't my personal experience but I believe that success leaves footprints and I would be using your footprints especially to create my own success.

Post: Confused about securing funding

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Here's my question: If I am investing in a rental property with good numbers (based on math from reading posts about being a landlord using the 50% rule, ect), what is the difference between securing a good property worth $1 Million versus $100,000?

If the cash flow is good and the loan is secured based on property value, would I have trouble getting a million dollar loan over a $100,000 one?

My financial background is not good right now (no assets currently) but not bad either. I just recently learned the importance of a balance sheet so I've worked it out for myself. I have some liabilities that will be paid off in the next month or two and at that point I will have no debt or assets either.

My cash flow is based off of my job that wouldn’t support a million dollar property but I’m securing it with property value and current renters. I’m confused if I would run into funding issues. I want to build assets and passive income and personally, if the numbers are good the overall value doesn’t influence me.

Thank you for your time and help.