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All Forum Posts by: Mark Rios

Mark Rios has started 1 posts and replied 9 times.

Lots of negative rumblings about B2R and their process unfortunately. B2R is Blackstone, the hedge fund so it's easy to see why they may not be the most customer centric. I may have it wrong, but it seems they are wrapping up the SFR portfolio loans into bonds to be sold on Wall St., which is why there are pretty strict underwriting that can't match portfolio lenders/banks ability to make exceptions. That's also one of the reasons why the portfolio needs to be in a bankruptcy remote, single purpose entity.

Many of these hedge fund (B2R, CAF, Blackrock) programs are index based so that may explain the change in interest rates, but more than likely, interest rates adjusted because of a FICO, DSCR or LTV issue. Many of these programs, because they are institutional and bonded up, have a minimum debt yield, so they are underwriting against that as well.

Aside from that, the loan officer may be earning a rebate on the rate. I'm looking at Blackrock's rate sheet for Sept 2016 and the lowest rate is a 5.8% at par, with a 680+ score, DSCR 1.45x+ and 70% LTV. Blackrock has an 8.5% min debt yield on their program.

If you are rate sensitive, go to a local or regional bank where you can walk in and shake the loan officer's hand. He'll sell your deal to the loan committee. 

But there's nothing wrong with paying a broker, who might be a true intermediary, a point or two to setup your loan and interface with the lender. Good one's will know the product well and have relationships with the lender's to help get your deal through to funding.

If you don't have respect for loan brokers or don't want to pay them a fee to set your loan up and want go direct, you may find in some cases that the lender's customer service sucks, like some of the posters here..

Post: JV Investor vs Hard money spreadsheet

Mark RiosPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 6

I'm a real estate capital provider and private lender on the commercial side as well as NOO single family. I've had more than a few inquiries looking to compare the ROI benefits of a Preferred return JV program we offer vs a straight hard money loan (and a possible JV investor partner)

So I created, using my MINIMAL excel knowledge a simple comparison spreadsheet to help see the benefits of going with easier preferred return type JV money or hard money. It's not ready for primetime yet, but I wanted to run it by the community to get some ideas on what to fix or add.

Inputs in blue text. You can adjust Purchase price, closing costs, JV splits, loan rate, Gap Funding JV Partner contribution and profit splits etc..

Feedback and adjustments are welcome.. Would be interested in seeing how short term IRR or annualized ROI might play here.

JV vs Hard Money BETA spreadsheet

DISCLAIMER -- I am not an excel expert and there may be errors in the formulas here or the layout may be confusing to you.. Use at your own risk and don't use for production unless you've checked formulas for yourself.

Hey Thomas, why do you feel like you need hard money? Have you put a deal under contract yet?

Post: The bankers code

Mark RiosPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 6

Hi Biyd,

Curious as to how the small deals you have put together were structured. Were these straight up 1st loans or did you do 2nds? Or maybe the AITD technique?

Post: The bankers code

Mark RiosPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 6

I purchased the course from ebay, which consists of the live audio recordings, some sample docs and the 3-day event PPTs..

My understanding is the course is based on fairly high level note and trust deed knowledge. It involves wraps or AITDs, sometimes hypothecation, some shared appreciation mortgages (equity kickers). What follows is a simplified version that has been translated through my limited vocabulary and math skills. I do have experience in mortgages and note purchases as well as levering notes via hypothecation.

You really need to have an idea on how mortgage/trust deed law works and have someone on your team of 3rd party providers who knows how to draw up these type of uncommon, but completely legal, types of security instruments and notes. TBC recommends using a mortgage broker to write up the notes and TDs/Mortgages. In fact TBC recommends you rely on your 3rd parties heavily and remain strictly as a lender.

TBC recommends all the transactions (in the beginning) only be made on NOO investor loans on SFR 1-4 type properties. 6-12 mos, velocity type hard money loans. A big feature to remain compliant is to establish a relationship with at least 3 hard money brokers who know how private lending works, before even moving past go. This is very important. During your meeting, you will find out your hard money brokers parameters, how they work, if the use private money or institutional capital, rates, points they expect, lien positions they'll entertain, will they service the loans etc..

One VERY basic transaction involves agreeing to lend no more than 65% LTV (of a $100,000 purchase price) to a borrower who agrees to 12% I/O and 4 points. You let your hard money broker know you have a deal, the total loan amount is 65,000. You then ask your broker if they will do a first at $58,500 and 10% I/O (58.5% LTV ) and you will come in with a $6500 (65% CLTV) second lien. Broker gets the points for taking the application, writing up the docs and processing etc..Doing this keeps the loan compliant. It's VERY VERY important to go through a broker for qualifying etc.. Pass your borrower to your broker to get processed. Don't take the app or pull credit etc.

There are a few ways this can split from here, but an interesting scenario involves you telling your broker that you want the second lien to be an AITD (wraparound mortgage) of the total $65,000. Basically wrapping up the broker's first and your $6.5k second. You get the arbitrage on the payments, unless you ask for discount points. Both front and back-end points will affect your yield positively. Especially if you truly turn the loans within 6 mos. to a year.

There is also an opportunity to use an AITD with a shared appreciation mortgage, where you maybe take a piece of the profits at sale or refinance in exchange for a higher LTV or other concession.

Servicing is setup on the wrap to get the full monthly payment on the $65,000 loan, with the underlying first payment being paid, then the balance of the payments being paid to you on the 2nd.

A basic basic sample might look something like this:

  • $65,000 loan amount at 12% I/O
  • Payments $650 month
  • Broker's 1st lien for $58,500 - 10% I/O -- $487.50 mo or $5850 yr..
  • Your 2nd lien for $6500 -- Rate arbitrage balance $162.50 mo or $1950 yr.

It's important in this course to always compare loan constant, yields, as well as rates. Where as most will look just at the rates and try to arbitrage solely on that.

Looking at your yield on the spread, you receive $1950 after 12 mos. -- a 30% yield on your money.

What if you receive one discount point at closing on the entire deal? Just because you’re a private lender and you can. One point of $65k would be $650. At 12 months, your yield on your initial investment of $6500 just jumped to $2600 or 40%.

Now what if you borrowed your initial investment of $6500 at 15%? That’s $975 that you owe annually, reducing your 12 mo. yield to $1625 or 25%.

There are many more ways, aside from using a wrap to make this work, including additional yield plays like an equity kicker.

There’s a reason this is called The Banker’s Code. If you’ve watched Money As Debt, you’ll see how banker money works, creating cash out of thin air.

This is just the beginnings of my understanding on this and I am no expert, though I do work in loans.

A couple things come up for me. Finding good, ethical mortgage brokers that understand the way you work and are willing to stay on with you as a lender while you bring them solid, low LTV borrowers. I don't see, however, many institutional lenders allowing a 2nd lien behind their senior lien. So if your hard money broker happens to source institutional funds as senior debt, the AITD strategy or even a 2nd lien won't work. So that's something to verify with your broker, if they originate or allow 2nds.

I also see the need to stay within Dodd Frank and the SAFE act by letting the licensed mortgage broker originate these loans. There may be some overkill and uncertainty if or what types are licensing are needed, so a good RE and/or securities attorney is needed to figure that out in your locality.

I also see some possible disconnect with some areas of this type of deal when you have borrowers, brokers or title agents who simply can't or won't understand some of these types of notes and trust deeds/mortgages. What we don't understand, we reject. And if you've ever tried to present a creative deal to a residential realtor, you can see the possible difficulty. TBC's strategies rely on a certain type of timing and sequence as well as working with professionals with experience in alternative ways of working with paper.

Have fun..once again I'm not a part of TBC, I don't work for them and have a VERY basic understanding of this course and how it works. I'd love feedback on the enormous amount I may have missed.

Thanks for indulging the long post..

Post: Seller wants proof of funds before they'll accept offer

Mark RiosPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 6

The simplest solution to the OP's dilemma is transactional funding. 

And to stop looking for deals from Realtors.

My last post about this type of product was deleted...

So, yes these types of loans and facilities are still available..out there somewhere and you evidently have to figure out how much they cost, how they work and where to look for them.

Post: Peter Vekselman and Joe McCall

Mark RiosPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 6

It's December.

@Greg F. how are you doing with this program?

Post: Tax Liens and Tax Deeds

Mark RiosPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 6

You only need one book. Zero Risk by Chip Cummings is good and more recent. Then go to http://www.rogueinvestor.com/ and buy the package. Every month Rogue sends out an update with links to that month's Tax Cert sales, Online auctions and Over The Counter liens.

Try not to over analyze tax cert buying or get analysis paralysis. There are plenty of online practice auctions. Instead of more books or courses spend your time learning how to navigate and search the various assessor and treasurer websites. That's where most of your time will be spent.

Then start putting your money out there and to work for you.

And remember your money WILL be tied up for potentially a long time. It's not very liquid but it pays.