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All Forum Posts by: Bogdan Cirlig

Bogdan Cirlig has started 39 posts and replied 216 times.

Post: Bird Dog to get Investors?

Bogdan CirligPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Los Gatos, CA
  • Posts 226
  • Votes 89

I know a broker in San Mateo, CA who's doing just that. Here's how he has it structured:

- he finds the deals (key here, your strong asset)

- he has a rehab team on the ready that he works with

- he is active in local REI Clubs (yes a nice source of leads for you)

- he is also hosting free 1 night seminar per week that caters to this topic

- he then has investors on the ready to pull the trigger when a deal is found

- he has set terms already, 90 day velocity, x% return on invested funds.

Post: When Low Purchase price doesn't make a great Investment option

Bogdan CirligPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Los Gatos, CA
  • Posts 226
  • Votes 89
Originally posted by @Crystal Smith:
Originally posted by @Bogdan Cirlig:

Well, it turns out that there are several issues that make this deal go awry extremely fast. First rule of thumb for the novice real estate investor who is looking to build a passive revenue flow is to never buy properties in an area you don't want to live in yourself, no matter what. 

Totally disagree w/ this advice.  Let the numbers do the talking on whether you invest in a deal or not, not the emotions of whether you would want to live there yourself.  

Crystal I appreciate the feedback. There's a subtle nuance in that advice, it's not about emotions, it's about knowing the rules of the street. There are very successful landlords who know how to collect in low income neighborhoods, because they live there, it's their comfort zone. Things such as 5 day notice don't really work there, tenants know precisely how to avoid being served and also know how to vacate the property 1 day before court date to avoid eviction per-se. When starting out (which is the point of why this article is posted in this forum, it's best to look for things in your own area of comfort. I have yet to see a white collar novice investor being able to handle low income properties (which can be very profitable if you know what you're doing).

Post: When Low Purchase price doesn't make a great Investment option

Bogdan CirligPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Los Gatos, CA
  • Posts 226
  • Votes 89
Originally posted by @James Wise:

@Bogdan Cirlig 

Great post.

I do have many rentals that are low income & have high rental yield to low purchase price. (not as extreme as those mentioned but similar numbers to those mentioned.) 

It's very important to understand that you must take the good with the bad.

Yes. The case I posted (it happens I have first hand experience investing in that area) is so extreme that Sect 8 tenants do NOT want to live in there lol. Sad truth. On paper if you check Cook County Sect 8 rents for 3 bdr it appears they are so juicy however talking to realtors local to that area they tell me Sect 8 tenants do not rush to rent in that particular area. Also if you check the foreclosure rate on that block omg, everyone is dumping properties there hence the very distressed price. The replacement cost (as per Insurance) for that particular property is around $150k hah... you can imagine how bad it is if landlords are dumping them at $25k a pop. You can see similar trends in Oakland, Detroit and some other markets.

Post: When Low Purchase price doesn't make a great Investment option

Bogdan CirligPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Los Gatos, CA
  • Posts 226
  • Votes 89

In the today's real estate markets, investors are finding an abundance of distressed inventory and in some cases for prices that are 10% of the "replacement" cost of the property.

After quickly glancing at the rents on Craigslist you might be tempted to jump off your chair and go grab a handful of these $10,000 priced 3 Bedroom Single Family houses and setup your passive cash flow machine and roll in the dough. Well, not so fast!

There are several markets in the US that exhibit such behavior, let's pick for example South Chicago where the local economy is plummeting and rising crime rates are pushing small cities into bankruptcy depressing the real estate prices even further. So you set eyes on a great foreclosure listed at $25,000 a quick grab and go 3 Bedroom SFH 1000 sqft in Harvey, IL. You quickly check the rents in the area and see that you can fetch easily $1000-$1200/mo, WOW what a Steal you might think. I should buy the whole block!

Well, it turns out that there are several issues that make this deal go awry extremely fast. First rule of thumb for the novice real estate investor who is looking to build a passive revenue flow is to never buy properties in an area you don't want to live in yourself, no matter what. So you start wondering, ok, so what's the neighborhood like in there? One option, get in your car and do a drive by, see what it looks like or save yourself the time and grab a rent & neighborhood report from [REMOVED]. Let's walk though a real case scenario:

The following property is listed on Zillow for sale:

You also notice the rentals listed across the street for $1k to $1.4k and your heart starts jumping. What you don't know yet, is far worse. Let's take this rental and analyze it:

You examine the estimated rent section and notice the estimated rent to be about what you thought or $1,180/mo. Also the comparables sustain the price as well. First thing that you should be worried is the Renter density of 42% as well as the Vacancy rate of 18%. You want the Renter density to be low in the 25% range and also a vacancy rate under 10%. The two things you observe already spell trouble meaning you might have a long time to fill up that vacancy. Let's move on and assess the trends in the area, you observe from the chart that the rent is pretty much stable for the past 12 months, a good sign definitely.

Next you take a look at "Who lives on the block", another major piece of the puzzle:

While we're not going to make any comments, you will notice there is a strong correlation between Household income and Highest education attained and also you will use this information to correlate the Crime rate available in the next 2 widgets in the report:

You notice an almost four times than nation average in the crime rate, including 10 murders and 9 rapes alone in the past 12 months and also more than double the amount Burglary and Thefts. That can't be good for a city with a population of about 25,000 you think, I don't want to have my property vandalized while it's on the market awaiting for a tenant.

With that in mind you move on to evaluate the quality of the nearby schools, which has a high correlation in your decision:

You definitely notice the school quality is at the bottom of the barrel. This again can't be good.

Putting together all you have learned in last 5 minutes you might decide that even though the price is amazing and you will make a Rent-to-Price rate north of 5%, you will most likely have troubles keeping the property rented even even worse collect rents and securing your property against burglary while vacant.

I hope this helped you putting a line in your due diligence todo list!

Post: I have cash, how do I start?

Bogdan CirligPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Los Gatos, CA
  • Posts 226
  • Votes 89

The answer largely depends on your other skills you have, but the bottom idea is:

- Buy & Hold -> SLOW train to your investment velocity (more about that in a second)

- Fix & Flip -> Fast train to generating capital.

Now, the TLDR part follows:

You want to apply as much leverage to your cash as possible, that is, get a lot from lenders and here you put your credit score as asset to help you get more cash. Now, putting that all into one property blocks you in it until a "liquidity" event happens, aka, sell the property later.

If you know builder friends who and/or you have skills to quickly visually estimate what $$ takes to put in a distressed property, you might find the following vehicle very lucrative: I know a Broker friend of mine in San Mateo, CA who is pooling investor $$ together to finance 90 day buy-fix-flip houses in the San Fran Bay Area. The thing works as follows: The broker knows the local market and has access to a lot of bank owned distressed properties that barely ever appear on the MLS. Let's say he spotted a 600k for sale on a $1MM market ready house. He pulls quick 6x investor friends who he has lined up , $100k a pop, and makes a cash purchase on it. Then he throws in another say 100k to rehab the property and in 90 days he flips it for $1MM making 30% return in 90 days. THAT is a huge velocity of the 700k invested.

Im sure you can find such RE Brokers in your area who know what they're doing. Good luck!

Post: When Low Purchase price doesn’t make a great Real Estate Investment option

Bogdan CirligPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Los Gatos, CA
  • Posts 226
  • Votes 89

In the today’s real estate markets, investors are finding an abundance of distressed inventory and in some cases for prices that are 10% of the “replacement” cost of the property.

After quickly glancing at the rents on Craigslist you might be tempted to jump off your chair and go grab a handful of these $10,000 priced 3 Bedroom Single Family houses and setup your passive cash flow machine and roll in the dough. Well, not so fast!

Read full article here: http://blog.zilpy.com