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All Forum Posts by: Bryan Hartlen

Bryan Hartlen has started 27 posts and replied 265 times.

Post: Cash Out Refi 8 Unit

Bryan HartlenPosted
  • Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 270
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@Brian Metz  it was my misunderstanding but I know what you mean ;-)

@Matthew Wright  good question.  Thanks for posting.

Post: Cash Out Refi 8 Unit

Bryan HartlenPosted
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  • Phoenix, AZ
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@Brian Metz thanks. I got it.  I thought you were saying the bridge loan would change the how the units are seasoned.  In your case, having the ability to borrow funds for rehab would allow you to start the seasoning clock sooner and get to your refi requirements sooner.  Thanks again.

Post: Cash Out Refi 8 Unit

Bryan HartlenPosted
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  • Phoenix, AZ
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Originally posted by @Brian Metz:

I did a cash out refi of a 6 unit and they did not need to see all the units. I’m sure you’re aware of this, but it’s a mistake I made so worth sharing...whatever bank you’re wanting to use, make sure you know their seasoning requirements. When I was shopping, some lenders wanted to see those raised rents steady for a min of 6 months to a year or they would only lend on LTC not the value the appraiser came back with. I should have started with a bridge loan to season it and then secured long-term financing.

 Brian, can you explain how a bridge loan would have helped you season your value-add stabilized rents?

Post: Months left on performing notes

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@Gil Ganz do you or others look for a minimum P&I?  For instance when we create seller financed notes we try to keep the P&I >= $300; and we'll reduce the term as low as 10 years to maintain that P&I.  All other variables being equal, would you prefer to purchase a longer term over the higher P&I?

Post: Definitions: Performing, Re-Performing, Semi-Performing?

Bryan HartlenPosted
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  • Phoenix, AZ
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Originally posted by @Don Konipol:

@Bryan Hartlen

I don’t worry about definitions. All investments come down to risk vs reward. Anything else is just conversation.

True, but knowing that it’s non-performing or re-performing (and what those terms mean) is a quick filter on the assumed risk.

@Adam Philpot

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Post: Definitions: Performing, Re-Performing, Semi-Performing?

Bryan HartlenPosted
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  • Phoenix, AZ
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@Gil Ganz and @Chris Seveney Do either of you differentiate between an original note or a loan mod?  As an example, if a loan modification is current and has 12 months of on time payments would you call that a performing note?  I would.  

Post: Definitions: Performing, Re-Performing, Semi-Performing?

Bryan HartlenPosted
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  • Phoenix, AZ
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The more people I talk with the more it appears that there isn't a firm definition of performance; or folks are liberally using the terms depending on whether they are buying or selling.  

Is there a trusted source that defines these terms?  If not, how is your definition different from mine?

  • Performing:  all payments current and on time over the last 12 months.  Could be an original note or a loan mod.
  • Re-performing: current but has missed one or more payments over the last 12 months.  Could be an original note or a loan mod.
  • Semi-Performing: not current but making regular payments (eg 1 or 2 months behind for the last 6 months)
  • Non-Performing: not current, making no payments or sporadic payments.

Post: Need Help on My First Potential Complex Deal

Bryan HartlenPosted
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  • Phoenix, AZ
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I agree with all the comments on getting the details on income and expenses (T12). Your broker should be able to get these for you (it is there job).

The only other thing I’d use in the offer decision is what is the market’s cap rate?

Post: CAPX Rule of Thumb?

Bryan HartlenPosted
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  • Phoenix, AZ
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Originally posted by @Nick B.:
Originally posted by @Bryan Hartlen:
Originally posted by @Nick B.:

Initial - $5000/door minimum and then adjust based on physical inspection.

Ongoing - $300/door/year reserved for CapX

 Do you go into value-add deals with the $5k/door in reserve or so you build up to it over time using cashflow?

$5K/door is allocated upfront for rehab. It is meant to be spent in the first year or so. Doing rehab out of cashflow is a recipe for disaster. 

BTW, $5K is just a ballpark estimate of the immediate capex for preliminary underwriting. The final number is usually higher.

Thx.  Got it.  We're targeting value add properties so our budgets typically include 8 - 10k or more for interior rehab plus exterior and mechanicals.  What we haven't figured out is a good starting point for on hand reserves?  If it's a planned flip exit we model this very thin with minimal risk.  If it's a hold then what?  5% or some amount / door?