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All Forum Posts by: Benjamin Weinhart

Benjamin Weinhart has started 2 posts and replied 111 times.

Post: Short Term Rental Tax Advantages

Benjamin Weinhart
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  • Accountant
  • Cincinnati OH 45245, USA
  • Posts 112
  • Votes 112

Hi Frank,

I, like many on this forum would say that if you're looking at getting into a new venture just for the tax advantages it might bring, it's normally not a good idea to factor that into consideration. I think it's important to focus on if the investment would be good for you in the long run and then see the tax advantages as a nice benefit (obviously this changes with growth/larger investors). There isn't a one-size-fits-all solution as you mention, but I would be sure that this is something that you see as sustainable due to the substantial up-front investment that it requires from the outlay. In general though, you're able to directly offset your income from the active rental activity with the *losses* you take from the business, but once the business becomes profitable, this would also add to your taxable income. 

Do keep in mind as well you may need to recapture any depreciation taken if you go to sell the property and don't use a 721/1031 exchange to assist with deferring that taxable gain.

Post: W2 & 1099 Realtor - Real Estate professional designation

Benjamin Weinhart
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  • Accountant
  • Cincinnati OH 45245, USA
  • Posts 112
  • Votes 112
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @John Underwood:

Almost impossible to be a REP with a W2 job.


 Sadly i only know of one court case where the person with a w2 was able to qualify. Indeed it Is near impossible to qualify as real estate pro here with a w2


 For my own curiosity, would you happen to know which case that was? I know the one you're talking about, I just can't remember the name. Thanks!

Post: Qualified Business Income Deduction for Rental Property

Benjamin Weinhart
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  • Accountant
  • Cincinnati OH 45245, USA
  • Posts 112
  • Votes 112
Quote from @Jose Hammer:

I own 1 profitable rental property and I am retired, keep separate records on my rental property.

According to IRS guidance it states:  "If an interest in real estate fails to satisfy all the requirements of the safe harbor, it may still be treated as a trade or business for purposes of the section 199A deduction if it otherwise meets the definition of a trade or business in the section 199A regulations." (source)

It also states this:  

The following requirements must be met by taxpayers or RPEs to qualify for this safe harbor:

  • *Separate books and records are maintained to reflect income and expenses for each rental real estate enterprise.

  • *For rental real estate enterprises that have been in existence less than four years, 250 or more hours of rental services are performed per year. For other rental real estate enterprises, 250 or more hours of rental services are performed in at least three of the past five years.

  • *The taxpayer maintains contemporaneous records, including time reports, logs, or similar documents, regarding the following: hours of all services performed; description of all services performed; dates on which such services were performed; and who performed the services.

  • *The taxpayer or RPE attaches a statement to the return filed for the tax year(s) the safe harbor is relied upon.


If I don't meet all the 4 bullet points for Safe Harbor am I still able to take the Qualified Business Income Deduction for a profitable Rental Property?

 Hi Jose, simply put, no. You must satisfy all 4 of those bullet points to take QBID for the year (the last one is easy). Also do keep in mind that unless it gets renewed, 2025 will be the last year that a taxpayer is able to take advantage of QBID as it was included as part of the TCJA from 2017. I would advise you to consult with your tax professional to see if you may be able to use some planning strategies to help you best take advantage of the deduction in 2024/25 in the event it isn't renewed by the next congress.

Post: Need a real estate CPA? Attorney? to sell a house

Benjamin Weinhart
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  • Accountant
  • Cincinnati OH 45245, USA
  • Posts 112
  • Votes 112

Hi Jen, great question! Any CPA worth their salt would be able to assist you either by knowing things immediately or knowing exactly where to look to find out if they don't. Being specifically located in CA could help marginally, but you may also pay a much higher fee due to the higher cost of living (depending on which part of CA of course). I'd need to know more information to determine myself if I were assisting you (hypothetically, of course, since we aren't allowed to advertise our services through this medium), but from the surface level it does sound like you do qualify for the 121 exclusion. A 1031 exchange is also possible, but albiet a little more costly to perform. You would be wanting to look for a CPA/EA/Tax Professional though to help guide you through this process.

Post: LLC bank account while being recognized as a S-Corp

Benjamin Weinhart
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  • Accountant
  • Cincinnati OH 45245, USA
  • Posts 112
  • Votes 112
Quote from @Joel Forsythe:

Not a CPA or tax professional.

I’ve never audited every single line item of my S-Corp tax returns for over 18 years, and I’m truly curious why it really matters in one years instance, what corporate account was used to conduct business, as long as the financial information is accurate and correctly reported from said dedicated business account.This should be a separate issue from proper and legally correct business operations, ie a checking account with correct tax ID, no outside commingling of funds with self or other business entity. I find it hard to believe the IRS is interested in splitting this “hair” in a punitive way, as a new business entity starting out. Sure, your corporate veil protections are tied to how strictly you follow detailed practices, but the IRS could care less I imagine, as long as the return is correct.

I mean, so what if you file as S-Corp? It matches the dates for the year you’re filing. I guess if the IRS wants to ask bizarre questions about the account number (seems absurd) you just say, “whoops, look at that, I’m new to this, I’m so sorry, I’ll make sure I correct that ASAP.” They still have an accurate filing.

Perhaps this is all your accountants fear of some sort of liability blow back? Could be I guess.

But, what do I know.


 That's my assumption is that it may cause a liability issue depending on how the state laws are worded. Seems like a pretty simple fix to call up the bank and update them that the entity is now an S-corp with this fancy new tax ID, possible they'd have to create a new account for it. I've always thought that so long as the intent is there, the details can be corrected after-the-fact in a lot of cases (not all). I am a bit confused as to why you have a $7,600 swing by changing entity type, I could see it causing some difference in accountant fees at the very least if you're including them in that, and maybe something with SE tax, but $7,600 for a new business seems a little much.

Post: i need to borrow $50,000

Benjamin Weinhart
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  • Accountant
  • Cincinnati OH 45245, USA
  • Posts 112
  • Votes 112
Quote from @Tom Server:

He is also married.. so does that mean he can gift me 36k.. and then the loan would be 14k?


Hi Tom,  I just saw this but thought I'd add my significant experience working with gift tax returns. I think you are overthinking things quite a bit. While it is possible to structure things like this for legitimate gifts, your intent is not there since you plan on paying the money back in 2 weeks. You don't need anything significant drawn up for the loan agreement either, a verbal agreement may be fine or just an email exchange can be sufficient (you could sign if you realllllly wanted to). 

As Bill said, you'd technically need to remit market interest of ~5-6% to avoid a related party transaction, but since $100-120 would be vastly below their annual exclusion amount, you can just say that any interest that would otherwise normally accrue would be considered a gift to you. I think the correct treatment is for them to report the interest on their personal return if the IRS gets really nit-picky, but I don't forsee it being an issue since the amount is relatively small.

Post: Heloc down payment vs capital gains tax

Benjamin Weinhart
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  • Accountant
  • Cincinnati OH 45245, USA
  • Posts 112
  • Votes 112
Quote from @Justin Bailey:

So 2 years ago I used a HELOC from my personal home to purchase the 20% down a rental property. I was looking into selling the rental property but would need to use the capital gains to payoff the 20% down. Does the heloc still account for the down payment? Or should I do a cashout refi to payoff the heloc and make my profit smaller?


 I think I might understand where you're coming from/where the confusion might lay. Ignore the loan when trying to factor in the possible tax implications as paying off a principal balance doesn't do anything tax-wise. Your "basis" in the property is what the purchase price of it is plus capitalized improvements less depreciation. Except in cases of things like a 1031 exchange, your capital gain is measured on the sale price in excess of the properties basis.

Post: Negative AGI from rental properties - how to carryforward and use

Benjamin Weinhart
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  • Accountant
  • Cincinnati OH 45245, USA
  • Posts 112
  • Votes 112
Quote from @Account Closed:
  1. Determine the Amount of NOL: Calculate the amount of the NOL generated in 2021. This is typically the excess of deductible expenses over taxable income.
  2. Report the NOL on Your Tax Return: On your 2023 tax return, you will need to report the NOL on Schedule 1 (Form 1040), Line 22, "Other income." This is where you report negative income amounts, including NOLs.
  3. Calculate the NOL Deduction: The NOL deduction allows you to carry the loss forward to future tax years to offset taxable income. The deduction is limited to 80% of taxable income in the carryforward year.
  4. Apply the NOL Against Taxable Income: Use the NOL to reduce your taxable income in 2023. The NOL can be applied against any type of income, not just income from rental properties. However, the NOL deduction cannot reduce your taxable income below zero.
  5. Monitor NOL Carryforward: If the NOL is not fully utilized in 2023, the remaining amount can be carried forward to future tax years (up to 20 years) until fully utilized. Keep track of the NOL carryforward and apply it against future income as applicable.


Hi Kislay, just wanted to update you in case you were unaware. For your #5, NOL rules have been changed to where they can be carried forward indefinitely now, but there is no carryback anymore (except for farming) and the deduction is limited to 80% ATI (100% pre-2021). This was changed with the TCJA. Certain states and localities may still use the old NOL carryover rules, but most I've seen have switched over by now.

Post: File state taxes if net is a loss?

Benjamin Weinhart
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  • Accountant
  • Cincinnati OH 45245, USA
  • Posts 112
  • Votes 112

Hi Chris, as Kislay said, I would highly recommend that you file a state tax return even if your income may be $0 or negative. I'm not sure if Oklahoma requires filing or not, but it's good practice to do as you'll be able to accumulate carryover losses that will offset future tax years where you do have income.

Post: CPA Cost $1200

Benjamin Weinhart
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  • Accountant
  • Cincinnati OH 45245, USA
  • Posts 112
  • Votes 112
Quote from @Bill B.:

I’m sure the problem he’s running in to is the one most of us, especially all the w-2 employees ran in to. Without a rental property 99% of us could do our own taxes, maybe in less than an hour. It’s a big step up to $1,2,00 when it’s almost exclusively to do one or two rentals. Again, Especially if they’re using a PM and get a pretty little report of all the income/expenses and a 1099. He might be paying $1,200 simply to calculate depreciation and occasionally if a “repair” has to be capitalized. 

I would assume almost everyone who replied it was a steal or they were paying multiples of his fees  aren’t working a w-2 with zero deductible work expenses and a couple long held long term rentals. The service you’re getting isn’t really comparable. It’s like comparing a Kia soul tune-up to an f1 race car. 

I’ve tried to “get over it” and I’ve been mostly successful. But even at “only” $1,300 with a dozen properties I feel like I’m hiring someone to enter data I think I could figure out but I’m afraid I’d mess up. It just feels like there’s a group of us in the gap between the 60-70% who can/could file their own taxes in less than an hour. And the 10% give or take that truly save money (usually a boatload) using an expert as they live complicated financial lives. 

I’m not complaining about market prices, or saying it should be less. I’m just saying I understand. And to the OP: add more rentals and it will feel like a better deal per property. Or make your life more complicated with a 1031 or a cost seg. Until then just assume you’re financially better off with the rentals. And make sure the tax guy deducts last year’s fees from this year’s taxes. :-). 


 Hi Bill, I think you make a great point. I have often said that about 95% of Americans could do their own taxes in about a day or less if they have everything they need with one of the free softwares floating out there. The other 5% are people who "graduate" to needing a CPA/EA/Experienced tax preparer due to other specialized knowledge required. There have often been scenarios (happened yesterday actually) where people will ask me to do their simple return just because they enjoy having the peace of mind, and/or want to build a future relationship as they anticipate more complex issues in the next few years. I of course am happy to do so.

There is also something to be said about the shrinking number of CPAs in general. The AICPA recently published an article last April that 75% of active CPAs will retire in the next 15 years. They have been publishing similar statistics for the last several years now to encourage more to become CPAs, yet the number continues trending upwards. Should this trend continue and/or become a reality, $1,200 may be seen as a "steal" in as little as 5-10 years as the demand continues/increases while the supply of those capable of doing the work continues to shrink. I already know of some firms personally, who will not take on a client for anything less than $2,500 (including businesses but still), and I know they outsource most of that preparation work as well.