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All Forum Posts by: Benjamin Amaral

Benjamin Amaral has started 5 posts and replied 18 times.

Originally posted by @Kenny Dahill:

@Benjamin Amaral, I can't help but think of George Bush quote here:  fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me - you can't get fooled again.

If there was a previous accident with the tree and they continued to park under it, that's on them!  I assume Renter's Insurance would help cover part of this as well.

I empathize with the tenant as this sucks.  But they knew the possibility that the tree could collapse again.  Definitely trim the tree back to avoid this because if it fell on a person you'd have much larger issues.  If you do decide to help financially, present it in a way that clearly states this isn't your fault but you'd like to support them.  If it's only a windshield, most insurers will replace those free because of the increased risk potential of the glass breaking during an accident.  

I'm in Arizona, land of the pebbles.  Therefore, anybody who drives on the highway has experienced cracked windows.

@Kenny Dahill Thanks Kenny! I'm not sure if this would qualify for a free replacement as the branch made a softball sized hold and partially broke off into the car itself. Fortunately, it appears it was somehow only the windshield damaged, although it's possible there was minor damage I'm not seeing in the pictures just outside of the windshield.

Originally posted by @Caroline Gerardo:

I parked my X5 in a corporate parking lot owned by Irvine Co at work. A eucalyptus tree fell on top of my vehicle and a Bentley owned by another gentleman in the building.  My sunroof shattered and roof damage, other car total loss, a pancake in the middle and on the engine. Gentleman filed suit and lost. I paid my deductible and got mine repaired. After other gentleman's car lost in court they appealed and hauled me in as a witness. Yes the trees needed trimming and always dropped small branches, no I didn't know the danger, no I never parked in those spaces again, no the corp owner had no notice posted about this danger.. it was determined to be an act of god and gentleman lost on appeal. 

Remove the whole tree. Put up a sign park at your risk until you get it down, it likely is too large for the location or not well. Make tenant sign a risk waiver. 

Why did he continue to park there? 

 Thank you for the reply. The initial tropical storm resulted in many small to small/medium branches coming down, nothing large. The tree has a large diameter (approximately 3-4 feet) and to me looks like a tree that still has many years of life in it. I will get the trimmer's opinion tomorrow. There is one small driveway that one set of tenants park both of their vehicles in. During the winter we have several street parking bans that require you to park off street or you are towed. There was one last night. My thought after the initial storm and after examining the tree was that I did not see anything that looked compromised, and the storm likely brought down anything that was. That logic may be flawed, but it could very well be the logic held by the tenants as well. The tenants did not request any maintenance after the initial storm, just that I cover their initial deductible.

I recently posted about a significant wind storm in October causing damage to one my tenants car (windshield and body) when branches from the tree in my driveway fell onto their SUV. This was a significant wind storm, winds upward of 90 MPH in some areas. The tenant reached out to see if I would cover their $500 car insurance deductible. The claim did cover everything else. I received a resounding response from BP that I was not responsible for the damage. I did not cover their deductible.

After the storm I examined the tree and per my own assessment, I did not see any branches that appeared to be dead or of concern, nor did I notice any prior to the storm in October. 

During a winter snowstorm / mix storm over the past day or so, which included snow, wind, and rain, another branch fell through the same vehicles windshield. This time it appears to have just caused damage to the windshield. The tenant sent pictures and curtly said this is the 2nd time this has happened and the tree clearly needs maintenance.

I have scheduled to have a tree trimmer come out tomorrow and assess and trim the tree.

Due to this happening a 2nd time in the span of a few months, I do clearly feel compelled to have someone come out and assess and work on the tree, especially now that the tenant overtly requested it. Considering this happened again in close proximity to the last incident but again during a storm (although not as significant as the first), I feel that this situation is not as clear as the first. In your opinion, should I be accepting any financial responsibility for this accident? If so, how would you go about it? If they submit another claim to their insurance company, their premiums will be impacted next year. It also may not be worth submitting a claim to their car insurance as it's only their windshield that was damaged.

I appreciate any input you can provide.

Originally posted by @Scott M.:

Doesn't matter if it was 5 mph winds or 90, you are not responsible to pay anything.  Now, you might want to and that is your choice but you have no legal reason to pay for it.  This is why the tenant has insurance.  This is 100% their responsibility.  The fact that it was 90 MPH winds is in your favor yes.  That is at the top end of category 1 hurricane wind speed.

Given what you have said you have no obligation to do anything but say no.  

 Thank you for drilling in the point!

Originally posted by @Bo Bond:

Benjamin,

Nathan hit it on the head!  It doesn't matter who owns the tree, you're likely in no way liable unless you've ignored their requests to trim the tree (and you didn't do anything), or failed to take care of the tree at all.  If you've been prudent and acted as a typical landlord would/should with regards to the maintenance of that tree, then you shouldn't pay them anything, nor feel obligated to do so.

So many people want to go back to "who owns the tree".  It really doesn't matter 99% of the time.  No one can control the wind.  If a tornado picks my car up and throws it into your house a block down the street, I'm not negligent.  Similar situation here.  Hold steady and keep moving forward.  Good luck!

 Thanks Bo! What's your take on the above? I'm unclear what a reasonable expectation is in maintaining a tree. It seems reasonable to use an eye test to judge the need for a tree to be trimmed, however, I'm sure there could be different opinions on that.

Originally posted by @Nathan Gesner:

No. In case you missed that, NO!

First, you are not responsible for Acts of God. You can't control the weather or where branches fall. The only time you are responsible is when you've been negligent in the maintenance of the tree.

Second, why are you so quick to compensate the Tenant when they can't even keep up on their end of an existing agreement??? They pay late "for months" and are currently $300 behind on rent?

Here's an example of what I would say, in writing:

"Dear Tenant,

I cannot be held responsible for acts of nature, theft, mechanical breakdowns, or other actions outside of my control. Your car is your responsibility, to include your insurance deductible.

You've paid rent late for several months and are currently $300 in arrears. I suspect you'll have even more difficulty after paying your insurance deductible. It's in both our interests to admit the rental is no longer affordable. I request you agree to vacate no later than January 31st. If you do not submit written notice agreeing to termination, then I will assume you agree to abide by the lease agreement and pay your entire balance, including January rent. If you have not paid everything owed by January 10th, I will initiate an eviction."


 Thank you for that! In regard to the maintenance of the tree, I had not done anything with the tree in the 14 or so months that I owned the property up to that point. It's a big, healthy looking tree. I'm not a tree expert but when you would look at it you would never think it was a hazard or any of the branches would come down. Considering the volume of branches that did come down, it presumably could have used some kind of trim, although the result might have been similar either way. We have plenty of normal wind, none of which had ever brought any branches down until the major wind storm that happened. An article sites that the wind speeds reached 90 MPH during this particular storm. Does the fact that I had never had any kind of maintenance done to the tree, although the lay person's eye test never called for it, put some of the responsibility on me?

One of the tenants in my duplex uses the driveway to park their 2 personal vehicles. During a significant wind storm, many small/medium branches came down into the driveway and out into the road from a large tree that sits on the edge of the driveway within my property. Some of the branches caused damage to one of car's windshield and hood. The tenant submitted a claim to their car insurance company which they will be covering. The tenant is requesting that I cover their $500 car insurance deductible. I want to handle this right. I've received conflicting opinions on whether or not to reimburse some or all of their deductible. This wouldn't be something that would be covered under my landlord policy, and my deductible is more than $500 anyways. Prior to the storm there was no known issue with the tree being dead or having any dead branches.

Of note, the tenant has a balance owed of $300 for rent. They have been paying late for several months now, and I put them on a bi-monthly rent schedule to attempt to make paying rent on time easier.

I'm considering waving the $300 back rent owed, in essence meeting them just over half way to cover the deductible. Technically, it does not appear I have an obligation to cover the deductible as there was no negligence on my part. The tenant had never raised concern about any issues with the tree having dead branches. I want to do the right, reasonable thing. I'm wondering what others here would do.

I appreciate your input!

I'm wondering what people's experience and opinion of using Bigger Pockets' lease agreements is. I'm curious about any state, but my own state is New Hampshire. I have a close friend who is an attorney who urged me to consult an attorney in my state to obtain a lease that is in compliance with New Hampshire laws. However, using one of the leases on BP would be more cost effective. What's your take on using BP vs. consulting an attorney? Has anyone ever had an issue with using a BP lease?

Thanks!