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All Forum Posts by: Ben Gleason

Ben Gleason has started 4 posts and replied 18 times.

I have multiple posts discussing this tenant, but I will summarize.

I had a tenant living below me and over a period of 3 months he became more and more delusional.  He believed people were out to kill him, people were watching him, he was the victim of a mass conspiracy.  He was either Bi-Polar 1, Schizophrenic, or was suffering from dellusions from too much Meth.    He put cameras up facing the outside, and the day after Thanksgiving he vanished.

I eventually found a relative who informed he me that he left the county and is now living with a relative to get the help he needs.  He did not explain to me what the exact cause was.

I was able to speak with him a bit, and I let him know that we would use his security deposit to cover the rent and that there would be no penalty for breaking the lease early.  He agreed that would be best.  I let him know that we can not afford to have the apartment vacant and that we needed all of his items out.

I have not seen anyone to move belongings, and I suspect that since he thinks people in this city are out to kill him, that he may not be willing  (or even be too impaired) to drive the hour and a half over here to move the belongings.

with that said, we have checked the apartment to make sure stove is off, water isnt on etc etc, but at the end of the month if nothing has happened, what do I do with his belongings??

NYS isnt too kind to landlords, and I dont want to potentially break any laws.  I certaintly cant afford to not rent the apartment let alone pay for storage for this stuff

Quote from @Scott Mac:

If there are animals in the unit, feed and water them.

Without water they will die quickly.

A box of Purina is very cheap.

If they are abandoned call a no-kill shelter (or keep them yourself): 

https://www.nokillnetwork.org/

Good Luck!

No animals. But I like the way you think!!
Quote from @Kevin Sobilo:

@Ben Gleason, I understand the concern as a person but I don't understand your frustration as a landlord. I didn't hear much of anything that affects you as a landlord or that is even actionable for you as a landlord.

Parking is a municipal police issue. His paranoia is his own personal issue. His behavior in public places is again not your issue.

I'm not sure why you feel its your responsibility to follow up with him since the crisis services people are already checking on him. If they didn't reach him yesterday, I'm sure they will follow-up again.

If you are concerned about your rental issue proper notice to do a walk through to check the condition of the property. Otherwise until he violates the lease in some way even if its by disturbing neighbors repeatedly (my leases cover that) I don't see any other actions to take at this point. 


Fair points. I suppose part of it is that I live upstairs, and part of it is that he is convinced someone is trying to kill him.
So I suppose when it is all boiled down, lease aside, I am concerned for my safety and the safety of my wife.  I’m not sure if you’ve ever dealt with someone who is having a bipolar or schizophrenic episode, but I can easily become the target of delusion at any time. 
Aside from all of that, I’m a human being and I care about other human beings. I’m nervous, sure, but I’m concerned for his safety as well. 

Quote from @Greg Scott:

This may be a dumb question, but it wasn't stated in your post.  Have you knocked on his door?  A friendly welfare check from the upstairs neighbor may be the way to go.

 Hi! I have sent him a few messages, and I went downstairs yesterday as well to check in. Nothing. 

I am sorry I am such an amateur and asking for so much advice. My situation keeps escalating. I have 2 other posts but to summarize:

I own a home and rent the lower. My tenant displays erratic behavior, including possible drug and alcohol issues, and obsessive tendencies. He obsesses about the police, the FBI, and sometimes thinks someone is on the street looking to kill him.  

On Thanksgiving his pattern shifted into even more delusional paranoia. He was filming out of his window, parking wildly in the street, worried about the FBI. 

I have not seen him since Thanksgiving and yesterday, the 27th, a local county Crisis Management team came to the house looking for him to perform a welfare check.  Apparently on Black Friday he was at a grocery store, displayed ‘disturbing behavior’ and someone called the police on him.   Police let him go but they followed up with crisis services to visit to make sure he didn’t harm himself. I don’t have much info on what actually occurred at the store. 

I do not know where he is. I called his emergency contact, and even THEY won’t respond to me.  I have no idea if he’s in his apartment. His car is gone, but it could have been towed based on how he parked. 

At what point to I go into his apartment? How do I handle this situation without breaking any laws (NYS doesn’t like landlords that much). I  have absolutely no idea what to do here.  Do I just keep reaching out to his emergency contact? Not to sound insensitive but I have a life to live as well. 




Stop being nice and fair. This is not 'potentially' anything...this dude is nuts and presents a real and present danger to you and your wife. Of course you need to make sure you don't violate any laws.....but that is secondary. Imagine if he ends up harming your wife because you were worried about offending or shaming....?



 My point was more of a legal point, but I get you totally. I’m going to start moving my pieces into play tomorrow. 

Quote from @Tim J.:
Buy and install cameras immediately.  Buy self defense tools and get training for/with them.  

Plenty of other good advice about getting him out asap.
It’s insane that it has come to this, but I agree with you 100%

hoping things stay calm and we can get a property manager on board soon as well. 

thank you. 


Quote from @Steve Steve:

As a mental health professional, this sounds a lot like paranoid schizophrenia, meth psychosis, etc. They will perseverate, have dellusions, audible/visible hallucinations. I would tread lightly. See if there is a crisis center you can call in your city that can have the police come check them out, many times they will bring them to the hospital and then they will be committed.


 I actually speak to a therapist myself, and she said the same thing. She really emphasized the potential of amphetamine abuse. 

It’s scary. Since this has started even more things have come to light. He is paranoid for sure.  

I am buying cameras and installing them, moving to a property manager and just not dealing with it.  I can’t risk setting him off, and I can’t risk accidentally confirming his paranoia. 


Quote from @Kristina Anderson:

He doesn’t sound well. Does he have an emergency contact on file? You might be able to work with them to support transitioning him somewhere he will be safer from himself.

No emergency contact. 

im thinking of hiring a PMC immediately and having them help me take over.