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All Forum Posts by: Ben Whittington

Ben Whittington has started 2 posts and replied 8 times.

Post: Private Lenders - How Much Do You Pay for Loan Documents

Ben WhittingtonPosted
  • Lender
  • Delaware Valley (NJ/PA/DE)
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Beth Johnson:

Depends on the state but it ranges from $800-1500+ and, as Chris mentioned, we have the borrower pay for out of the gross proceeds of the loan. Doss Docs are cheaper than Lightning Docs from Geraci and they can cater to junior lien positions and cross-collateralizations, too. I always prefer to have a local attorney experienced in PML in that state. What state are you lending in?  

I have an event coming up in November for private money lenders (one for passive PMLs who are doing it as a side hustle and one for experienced small- to mid-sized PML business owners) in Las Vegas. If you are interested in learning more, DM me!


 Hey Beth,

I have recently finished reading your book! I am in New Jersey. Of the many local lawyers I reached out to, all but one did not specialize in PML. The one who did charges $3,000 per loan.

I may be interested in your event in the future, but not quite yet. Thank you!

Post: Private Lenders - How Much Do You Pay for Loan Documents

Ben WhittingtonPosted
  • Lender
  • Delaware Valley (NJ/PA/DE)
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 4

@Jeff S. Thank you. This was very informative and helpful. The quote I got from a local attorney was over double what you've provided and I couldn't imagine trying to pass that entire cost onto the borrower. 

Post: Private Lenders - How Much Do You Pay for Loan Documents

Ben WhittingtonPosted
  • Lender
  • Delaware Valley (NJ/PA/DE)
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 4

Title says it all - how much do you, private lender, pay for attorney's to prepare your loan documents (contracts, promissory notes, deed of interest, etc.) and where are you located? 

Post: Raising Capital for Private Lending

Ben WhittingtonPosted
  • Lender
  • Delaware Valley (NJ/PA/DE)
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Ben Whittington:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Ben Whittington:
Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Ben Whittington

i hear you and that all makes sense... if you don't have that much liquid, though, I think it will probably be a huge, huge grind.  with hard money or private money, as you may know, the goal from the investor's standpoint is actually to pay it back as fast as possible.  so you get a couple points to originate the loan and then maybe a small amount of interest.  and you're taking a lot of risk...  if you only have enough for one project at a time, and that project goes south... you're taking the property back and trying to sell it.

@Jay Hinrichs agree?


 I hear you. I've read a few books on this and understand the process and the risk involved. That's not to say there isn't more to learn or that there won't be hiccups, but while I appreciate your hesitation, I am aware of what I'm getting myself into. 

To your point on not having much capital - that's why I posed the question about raising capital. I need to set realistic expectations and timelines. 


 If you do not have the capital you will not get it.

1. a bank will want a personal guarantee and will want a substantial net worth. 

2. A hedge fund will want the same.

3. You can attempt to raise from a 506c but it will cost you $25k to get started, then if you did get your first $100k  and you are paying them 10% and you are making 12%, - great you just made $2,000 and that is assuming you were able to fund an entire deal immediately and have zero holding or carrying costs. 

Not to be pessimest, but just because I read a few health books does not make me a doctor, nor does reading a book on history make me a historian.

This business is not easy. 

Forgive me if I gave off the impression that I thought this was easy. To think something is easy is to depreciate the value the blood, sweat and tears that people like yourself have poured into this profession. The purpose of my "read books" comment was to illustrate that I understand the risk associated with this and that I am responsible for my own actions. I'm simply looking for advice from people seasoned in this field and to try to continue gaining as much knowledge as possible. I do not claim to be a professional. 

Thanks for your insight. Understood on the 506c. What are your thoughts on 506b? Does it make any difference if capital is coming from friends/family versus "strangers?" 

As stated above, I do have some capital. Should I get a couple of deals underneath my belt using my own capital before looking for outside capital?


With your own capital and access to other individuals you know well that have capital you could start that way.. U put money into each deal with your investors grow your experience bucket ..

Thanks, Jay. From a legal standpoint, does the money coming from myself and individuals I know well change the way the SEC views this? Or, would it still need to follow the 506 exemptions? 

Post: Raising Capital for Private Lending

Ben WhittingtonPosted
  • Lender
  • Delaware Valley (NJ/PA/DE)
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Ben Whittington:
Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Ben Whittington

i hear you and that all makes sense... if you don't have that much liquid, though, I think it will probably be a huge, huge grind.  with hard money or private money, as you may know, the goal from the investor's standpoint is actually to pay it back as fast as possible.  so you get a couple points to originate the loan and then maybe a small amount of interest.  and you're taking a lot of risk...  if you only have enough for one project at a time, and that project goes south... you're taking the property back and trying to sell it.

@Jay Hinrichs agree?


 I hear you. I've read a few books on this and understand the process and the risk involved. That's not to say there isn't more to learn or that there won't be hiccups, but while I appreciate your hesitation, I am aware of what I'm getting myself into. 

To your point on not having much capital - that's why I posed the question about raising capital. I need to set realistic expectations and timelines. 


 If you do not have the capital you will not get it.

1. a bank will want a personal guarantee and will want a substantial net worth. 

2. A hedge fund will want the same.

3. You can attempt to raise from a 506c but it will cost you $25k to get started, then if you did get your first $100k  and you are paying them 10% and you are making 12%, - great you just made $2,000 and that is assuming you were able to fund an entire deal immediately and have zero holding or carrying costs. 

Not to be pessimest, but just because I read a few health books does not make me a doctor, nor does reading a book on history make me a historian.

This business is not easy. 

Forgive me if I gave off the impression that I thought this was easy. To think something is easy is to depreciate the value the blood, sweat and tears that people like yourself have poured into this profession. The purpose of my "read books" comment was to illustrate that I understand the risk associated with this and that I am responsible for my own actions. I'm simply looking for advice from people seasoned in this field and to try to continue gaining as much knowledge as possible. I do not claim to be a professional. 

Thanks for your insight. Understood on the 506c. What are your thoughts on 506b? Does it make any difference if capital is coming from friends/family versus "strangers?" 

As stated above, I do have some capital. Should I get a couple of deals underneath my belt using my own capital before looking for outside capital?

Post: Raising Capital for Private Lending

Ben WhittingtonPosted
  • Lender
  • Delaware Valley (NJ/PA/DE)
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Ben Whittington

i hear you and that all makes sense... if you don't have that much liquid, though, I think it will probably be a huge, huge grind.  with hard money or private money, as you may know, the goal from the investor's standpoint is actually to pay it back as fast as possible.  so you get a couple points to originate the loan and then maybe a small amount of interest.  and you're taking a lot of risk...  if you only have enough for one project at a time, and that project goes south... you're taking the property back and trying to sell it.

@Jay Hinrichs agree?


 I hear you. I've read a few books on this and understand the process and the risk involved. That's not to say there isn't more to learn or that there won't be hiccups, but while I appreciate your hesitation, I am aware of what I'm getting myself into. 

To your point on not having much capital - that's why I posed the question about raising capital. I need to set realistic expectations and timelines. 

Post: Raising Capital for Private Lending

Ben WhittingtonPosted
  • Lender
  • Delaware Valley (NJ/PA/DE)
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Ben Whittington

this is not an area i am involved in but i am curious what about it appeals to you and if you're already invested in other areas.


 Hey Nicholas,

My wife is a licensed real estate agent and my MIL has owned and managed real estate companies for most of her career. So while I'm not personally invested in other areas of real estate, I have been around it for years.

As for why it appeals to me - well, I have some capital which I think could be better suited in private lending. I would love to be able to get to the point where I don't have to do the typical 9-5 grind and be more involved in my children's lives. I ask these specific questions because I would like to set my goals and business foundations accordingly. 

Post: Raising Capital for Private Lending

Ben WhittingtonPosted
  • Lender
  • Delaware Valley (NJ/PA/DE)
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 4

What are the must knows for raising capital for private money or hard money lending? I'm new to the private lending space and am trying to get my bearings straight before talking to a legal experts. At what point does accepting capital, using the capital in private lending, and paying interest on the capital become a security? If it is a security, I've read quite a bit about Rule 506 exemptions and the impacts of having accredited investors versus non-accredited investors - what is everyone's experience with this? Are there any other considerations to know? I'm located in the Delaware Valley (NJ/PA/DE) area.