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All Forum Posts by: Brian Ellis

Brian Ellis has started 65 posts and replied 1157 times.

Post: New Bedford Market - Downtown

Brian EllisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South shore, MA
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Quote from @Peter Carboni:

Hey all, this thread is getting me super pumped. I'm looking to begin my investor journey by househacking here. Spoke with a lender and getting ready to make some offers closer to November when I get home from my current contract (I work on a cruise ship). 


If anyone in this thread is open to letting a newbie pick your brain about multifamily buy and holds in this area I would be eternally grateful.


I grew up in Wareham and have always loved this city. I believe it's got insane potential. The new restaurant scene, arts, festivals, hospitals, and rail trail are just fuel to that fire in my eyes.

I love the downtown area, and some pockets around there. I had almost purchased a 13 unit off market deal, on county st, (which is currently listed for 1.2), but the numbers just didn’t appeal to me. High taxes and sewage bills sort of killed the deal. 

I did notice that taxes are pretty high in the city. 

Post: Seller financing vs. lease option - what’s the difference?

Brian EllisPosted
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  • South shore, MA
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Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

Keep this in mind though.  LO is actually a form of seller financing.  When most refer to Seller Financing, they are talking about the seller taking back a note on the property they are selling to you, or in other words, they are replacing a traditional lender (bank) for your financing.  The difference is this.  When you get a loan from the bank, you're actually buying cash from the bank, then spending it all (giving it to) on the property.  I've always laughed at the term "borrow".  You're not borrowing money...you're buying it.  If you were borrowing it, you wouldn't be charge interest, and you would return the same money to the one you borrowed it from when you were finished with it.  Kind of like a shovel.

When the seller replaces the bank, you're not buying cash,...you're buying equity,...one piece at a time.

Thank you Joe! A lot of insight here 

Post: Seller financing vs. lease option - what’s the difference?

Brian EllisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South shore, MA
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Quote from @Steve Vaughan:

@Brian Ellis    Thanks for the mention. Nice to be called back every now and then.

In a nutshell seller financing is selling now while a lease option is a lease that also has a separate option to buy later. Separation is key.  The tenant has a standard lease in one hand and an exclusive right to buy at a certain price for a certain amount of time in the other.  They pay for this right in the form of option consideration.  The words 'down payment' do not exist in the option world. 

For instance I just did one last year and the tenant buyer exercised her option and purchased this March.  She paid $9000 for the exclusive right or option to buy for $325000 within 12 months.  I also offered an extension of an additional 6 months for a fee of $5000 but she didn't need it. 

Consideration is like earnest money and goes towards the future purchase. I generally charge about 3%.   A fee is just for more time.  Both are forfeited if the option is not exercised within the term of the option given.

So yes, you collect rent.  It is a standard lease.  The option is separate.  I allow mine to be assignable.  I love these for my nicer houses  I don't plan on holding forever or houses that need work I don't want to do.  No commissions and no vacancy while you wait for your buyer to get a loan.  


 Thank you for laying this all out for me! Makes a lot more sense to me now, basically less risk on my end if I can extend it out a couple years as opposed to just one year. 

Post: Seller financing vs. lease option - what’s the difference?

Brian EllisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South shore, MA
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Quote from @Conner Olsen:

@Brian Ellis When you exercise a lease option to purchase the property you are purchasing through normal means in the future with the buyer either paying cash or getting a mortgage. In seller financing the seller becomes the bank.


 Thank you, how is a lease option usually structured in favor of the buyer? I understand there would be no down payment, but is the purchase price determined at the initial contract?


Am I collecting rents from the tenants?

Post: Seller financing vs. lease option - what’s the difference?

Brian EllisPosted
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  • South shore, MA
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What would be the pros and cons of each option? I’ve run into a scenario where a seller wasn’t willing to seller finance, but came back asking if I would consider a lease option instead. 

@Steve Vaughan would you be willing to chime in? I know you have extensive experience with seller financing.


any help is appreciated, thanks everyone !

Post: Seller psychology/ offer strategy

Brian EllisPosted
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  • South shore, MA
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Quote from @Sean Bramble:

I’ve heard David mention tidbits here and there about how experienced agents will approach the offer process in different ways than less experienced agents. Seems he’s really just saying there are ways to create psychological leverage in negotiations that help you get the get the deal you want at a great price

Are there any best practices/ stories some of you can share based on your own experiences in certain deal scenarios?



I always try to find a solution to the sellers “problem”.

When buying property, I never just look at the property being sold, I also look for a number of things:

What is the most logical reason this person is selling?  I’ll name a few things that come to mind, and what I would offer.

1. Seller is moving

A. Quick closing

2. Tired landlord

A. Keep tenants in place

3. Rundown Inherited property

A. Seller to remain all unwanted personal items. Buyer will dispose on his behalf. 

Post: Locating multi-family properties not for sale/rent

Brian EllisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South shore, MA
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Quote from @Ben M.:
Quote from @Brian Ellis:
Quote from @Ben M.:

What would be a good way (hopefully free) to get a list of multi-family properties in specific areas that are not for sale/looking for renters. I am trying to do direct mail on multi-family owners that are not listing their properties.

Listsource is what I use 

 Great suggestion! Thank you Brian! Would you or anyone happen to know how to set a criteria for a properties that have been owned for at least 5 years?

It’s all on the website when you create a search

Post: Home Sales slowing down with rising Interest rates

Brian EllisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South shore, MA
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Quote from @Peter Tverdov:

It's going to quickly cool off the housing market in different sectors. I am seeing it locally. I have multiple listings and they've gone quiet simultaneously at various price points. You'll always sell residential stuff because people need a place to live but IMO realtors (and more importantly owners) will need to adjust their pricing because people are still going to want to sell homes like it's a 3.5% rate environment when it's currently a 6% rate environment. A lot of residential owners also are unlikely to want to sell their house that they have a sub 4% rate on, to sell it and buy something else at 6%. JMO. 


 My thoughts exactly. Most Agents can’t comprehend higher rates = less buying power. I still see houses coming on the market at a price that was relevant 6 months ago. 

Post: What do all you home builders feel about recessions?

Brian EllisPosted
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  • South shore, MA
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I’m not a builder but have worked closely with some.

The cost of construction is 3x more expensive than it was just a few years ago (at least in my area). Some builders are charging upwards of $600 a sqft for new construction. 

Because of the lack of materials, labor, and land. Most builders have made a killing since 2017.  I don’t expect that to continue forever, I think the smart business owner will have to adapt to the economy. And what I mean by that is lower their profit margin and service more renovation type jobs as opposed to new construction. 

Post: Locating multi-family properties not for sale/rent

Brian EllisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South shore, MA
  • Posts 1,173
  • Votes 1,644
Quote from @Ben M.:

What would be a good way (hopefully free) to get a list of multi-family properties in specific areas that are not for sale/looking for renters. I am trying to do direct mail on multi-family owners that are not listing their properties.

Listsource is what I use