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All Forum Posts by: Chris Hines

Chris Hines has started 6 posts and replied 8 times.

Post: 1613 Hillcrest Rd Cleveland Heights, OH

Chris HinesPosted
  • Investor
  • Gilbert, AZ
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 2

Investment Info:

Small multi-family (2-4 units) buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $73,000
Cash invested: $25,000

Triplex that I bought. Original owner was supposed to fix POS and I'd buy at $105k - 6 weeks later, said he wouldn't do it, and I negotiated a discount down to 73k. Did POS repairs and have been renting ever since. Older house (100ish), so plenty of maintenance and upkeep, but have been making small amounts of money and it's now valued around $140k.

What was the outcome?

Currently holding property as long term rental.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Managing contractors is hard from 2000 miles away.

So... I've been away for a while... did a couple deals, one has been a giant pain, one was going well.. until it wasn't.  Advice sought, or suggestions on who to talk to.

Bought a duplex in Cleveland proper, seller had marketed it as a duplex, when I did inspection, found out that he was renting the attic out and including that in the money.  However, there was no utilities to the third floor.  I pointed that out, he knocked off a good chunk of money, I bought it with the intent to make it a legal triplex.   However, I found that the attic tenant had a clause in his lease about how he was paying his utilities, and thought I had to honor that until it expired.   Planned to fix it then.

In the mean time, 2nd floor tenant moved out (fine), and PM filled the vacancy.  Unfortunately, she apparently believed (or was told, we're unsure) that the attic could be used for storage.  She finds out that there's someone there, she calls the city.

So now I'm facing a city inspection (1/4/19), knowing that the third unit is not going to meet compliance.  They may also do a lead paint swipe.

Help / Tips / Suggestions appreciated.  

Post: Small MF in Cleveland - but, 11th hour issues. Help!

Chris HinesPosted
  • Investor
  • Gilbert, AZ
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 2

So... interestingly enough, he sent me evidence that there was LBP..  Including a order from the city the residence was in, ordering him to clean it - from 2015.  Called that office, found that he'd never done the repair, and then kept renting the house out to homeowners - against the orders of the city.

Post: Small MF in Cleveland - but, 11th hour issues. Help!

Chris HinesPosted
  • Investor
  • Gilbert, AZ
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 2

So.. I'm buying a duplex in Cleveland.  Gone through inspection, gone through appraisal, getting ready to sign final documents tomorrow AM.  I had previously been sent a LBP disclosure that was muddled, so I asked for clarification. Agent confirmed seller had no knowledge of LBP.

Get an email from my agent today, that the seller has created a problem over their fee structure - and is now changing his LBP disclosure.  I was just sent a new LBP disclosure, saying there is LBP.  Agent's position is that the seller is doing this to get me to back out of the deal.   I tend to agree with this (based on evidence) - but that doesn't help me decide what to do.

What do I do with this??  My concern is that even if I get a clean bill of health from the seller at this point, I've been sent a disclosure saying that there is LBP.  What is my exposure if I do go forward?  What should I be doing that I don't know about at this point?   This is my first deal, so.. help appreciated!

Post: Cleveland Duplex - Inspection Report

Chris HinesPosted
  • Investor
  • Gilbert, AZ
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 2

Hi all:

Been working towards my own goal for 2017 of buying my first property.. in the inspection period for a duplex in Cleveland, OH.  House is 71 years old, so I understand it has it's flaws.  But, I tell people no for a living, and am not a contractor/repairman, so I wanted some feedback.  

The item that really caught my attention was the point about the upper floor not being level. Checked with the inspector, he said that the foundation and basement slab are in good condition.  Joist is intact as well.  His quote was that it was minor, but worth noting.

Have I covered most of the bases here on what I need to be concerned about?  I'm not worried about the inspector trying to hustle me, I just don't know enough to know if I've asked the right questions to try to mitigate my own risk.

Post: First Step in Assembling a Team

Chris HinesPosted
  • Investor
  • Gilbert, AZ
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 2

Thanks for the responses all.  I'll take this inline:

@Account Closed - I'm familiar with LLCs, but in reading through some items on here, I was concerned that doing it that way would cost me profitability.  I think I'm well insured enough personally to withstand a lawsuit if I really had to (umbrella policy), but it's one of the reasons I was talking about talking to the tax person first, before making any further decisions.

@Bill Gulley - No argument about learning the market.  It's why I'm doing this 7 months before I even really consider making a move (that and capital accumulation).  As far as flexibility is concerned, I don't foresee myself switching back and forth very often on my chosen formula.  While I will have enough to start this process, I won't have tons of capital to have a number of projects open at a time.  My idea is to slowly accumulate turnkey properties to rent and hold, for long term asset accumulation.  I'll, of course, sell those off when I think it's appropriate to do so down the line, but I doubt I'll ever be much of a flipper.

@Account Closed 

Goals - long term asset accumulation to allow me to retire before April 27th, 2029.   I plan to do this by buying and holding turnkey assets long term, to allow passive income to grow, while requiring minimal active effort on my part (I do have triplets, after all).    I'd like to be able to stop working my 9-5 by the above date, but without taking on unnecessary risk.  

Cash Flow - This is the part that I'm very unfamiliar with as far as what it will take to achieve.  But, in my mind, I'll want to accumulate enough properties in 4-5 years to be able to make the business self-sustaining.  What I mean by this is that I want enough income from my properties to be able to purchase another property in a years time, without me having to add additional capital.

Time - yes, this goal is to be able to spend time with my kids. Not immediately, but without tons of additional time that will take away my free time from my 9-5 with them. Not familiar with the PREIB term (couldn't even find it on Google!), but that doesn't sound like what I'm looking for. Eventually, I want to be able to ditch the 9-5 and depend solely on my investments to provide for my family - but I expect this will be years away. At that time, I'd likely take more of an active role in my REI business.

Basic plan (just anticipating one of the next questions).  I plan to have around $50,000 put aside for this business around Q1, 2016.  My very brief investigating shows me that this should allow me a start in one of several areas in the Phoenix metro area, depending on what I ultimately decide to get involved with (single or multifamily).  I'm comfortable with my ability to get financing from a traditional source (770+, no revolving debt, mortgage/car only debt, 60k cash I have saved for emergencies, not underwater on my mortgage), but will be looking at whatever my best option would be.  

Post: First Step in Assembling a Team

Chris HinesPosted
  • Investor
  • Gilbert, AZ
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 2

So I've been reading through the UBG, specifically section 4.  In this, it talks about assembling your team.

Here's my question.  I've done nothing purchase related yet.  But I'm interested in establishing the framework to start my business.  Is it premature for me to talk with a tax professional and decide on a structure before I start looking to buy?

I know I'm going to target either turnkey properties, either 2 single family or a small multi around the end of the year.  I know I'm planning on doing conventional financing to begin with as my investor profile should allow that.  I also will keep my 9-5 job (15 month triplets are extremely expensive). I've started working on my business plan as well.

Insight appreciated, if I'm missing something please feel free to critique or ask me.

Post: Total newb

Chris HinesPosted
  • Investor
  • Gilbert, AZ
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 2

Hi all,

Stumbled across the site in my early morning phone time.  Been an interest of mine for a while and want to see what I can learn.