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All Forum Posts by: Sheila O'Shea

Sheila O'Shea has started 1 posts and replied 10 times.

Post: Robert Allens Enlightened Wealth Institute

Sheila O'SheaPosted
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  • atlanta, GA
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I went with a friend of mine to a Robert Allen Enlightened Wealth Institute seminar and still have a hardbound copy of Multiple Streams of Income to show for it. As near as I can tell, the man himself just stamps his name on it and has little else to do with what goes on (beyond collecting the money.)

The problem with Robert Allen is that much of his advice is still 20th century advice and doesn't take into account the rather significant changes in the economy and the information age. An LLC is no longer an impenetrable smokescreen to hide your identity behind, for example, now that nearly every state in the union has a website that lists corporate entity information as searchable public record. Tax lien certificates are big business now and not some nifty thing that only a few people know about. Things like that.

My friend was (and probably still is) a fan of Robert Allen and I suppose I have him to indirectly thank for making me aware of the whole real estate game to begin with. But I've also learned much more useful information from people who are actually making money from real estate instead of from selling courses about it.

Post: Guru Scam Words!

Sheila O'SheaPosted
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  • atlanta, GA
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Two words:

"Boot Camp"

Post: Achieving financial independance - how easy is it?

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Funny, I wrote a bit on the subject myself. Just posted it today, in fact. :wink:

http://cyanidefish.livejournal.com/189644.html

Post: Deprogramming the Guru Mindset

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[I wrote this rant to a friend of mine some time ago, and it seems that some people here might agree with me...]

Lies They Tell You In Real Estate Seminars

Don't Listen To The Poor People Like many effective lies, this has a grain of truth in it. But in the way a grain of sand may feel larger than it is when it's caught in your shoe, a grain of truth can be made to 'feel' larger than it is in the confines of the sales pitch.

Listening to someone who knows nothing at all about real estate when you're looking for advice on whether or not you should get into real estate is, by all accounts, kind of pointless. This is true. And if you have a circle of friends who only seem to want to keep you at their level and get resentful if you dare to advance beyond your station, you might do well to keep your bright ideas to yourself around them.

HOWEVER. Ever so subtly implied in that sentence is an unspoken conclusion. You should listen to ME, the millionaire. So if your friends balk at you spending thousands of dollars on courses and boot camps, well, what do they know? They're poor, remember?

Don't fall for that trick. Listen to the poor people, the rich people, listen to everyone. Weigh what you know against what you learn and draw your own conclusions.

Work Sucks Real Estate Investing apparently offers a dream life of uncharted bliss, where you don't have to answer to bosses or timeclocks. Spending forty hours a week for a salary is a colossal waste of your time and energy, to hear them say it. You'll never get RICH working a JOB, you moron.

Maybe you won't. And here's a concept--maybe it doesn't matter. Despite what they try to pound into your heads, it is actually possible to work a regular job and enjoy your life. If you're working towards your dreams and goals, why should you care how you make your money while you're doing it? There's also a concept that they kind of avoid mentioning--that there are other ways to make money beyond salaried employment and real estate. It's not an either/or proposition.

College Degrees Aren't Worth Anything Many people wind up getting a degree in one discipline and wind up making their living through a different one. This is presented as some kind of punchline to a bad joke instead of evidence that human beings have this funny habit of changing their minds and adapting to circumstances instead of plotting rigid irreversible courses with their lives. Learning how to think, how to present ideas and how to research are never wasted lessons. You may not remember much from Physics class, but how on earth would you have learned that science wasn't ideal for you without actually learning something about it first? And for that matter, how are you supposed to learn new information without a grounded base of knowledge to build on? Knowledge is not always called upon consciously--you don't have to remember every detail of the day you learned a new word to retain its meaning. College is the one time in your life that you are allowed to submerge yourself in the world of the mind. It is an honor and a privilege and small wonder that people pay so much for it. Complaining that a degree didn't magically get you a job is like complaining that a Faberge egg doesn't have any chocolate in it.

You Must Act Now! This advice messes up more beginning investors than anything. And in a way, it's just collateral damage.

The reason you have to Act Right Away Or Rot Away In Loserville is because if you took the time to think about it, you might wind up not buying their crap. It's good advice to sell you courses, but incredibly crummy advice for, oh, actually investing. It's the reasons investors wind up in over their heads, because they buy houses in the same impulsive blinded rush that they bought the how-to course with. There will always be houses. There will always be people to buy them from and sell them to. Taking the time to make sure you know what you're doing will make you more money in the long run than rushing to make your first Big *** Check ever will.

(Then again, what do I know? I'm just one of the poor people, right?) :wink:

Post: Achieving financial independance - how easy is it?

Sheila O'SheaPosted
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  • atlanta, GA
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The most important question you can ask yourself is--

Do you want to be a rich person, or do you want to live a rich life?

Here's a tip: You don't have to be a rich person first. You can live a rich life in any moment.

Post: Avoid Foreclosure bandit signs

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The problem I have with "Avoid Foreclosure" is that it implies (to me) that one will be able to KEEP the house. It seems a touch bait-and-switchy to post that and then explain that you want to make an offer to BUY the house--but, hey, at least it won't be foreclosed on!

There are also some fraudulent 'refinance' outfits that have been using signs along those lines and leaving homeowners holding the bag. Do you really want to be associated with that?

Just my thoughts. Take as you will.

Post: "Hard to find a Real Estate Mentor"

Sheila O'SheaPosted
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Originally posted by Rachel Aka Mobile Home Gurl:
The local real estate group(s) in your area is the best place to start. Get to know the key players in your area. Talk to them, get to know them and let them get to know you. One point about networking, you have to keep coming back - just like coming back here on Bigger Pockets. You can't just go once - it takes time to get to know people. Hope that helps!

Absolutely. I've signed up to volunteer at my local REIA and it's a great way to get a feel for how real estate investment works for people who are actually doing it instead of just selling courses about it.

(I'm not knocking seminars, or even gurus, that hard. I think they do have their place, but there are loads of ways to skin the proverbial cat, despite what some would have you believe.)

Post: Money back from a guru?

Sheila O'SheaPosted
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  • atlanta, GA
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I got suckered into one of those '30-day-trial' thingies with Tim Mai and when I tried to cancel before the thirty days were up, I came up against emails that were not answered, phone lines that never picked up and chat requests that just hung in limbo. I sent a request in writing certified mail and it was signed for . . . suspiciously late.

However, I took it up with my credit card company, printed out the initial email request and a copy of the letter I'd sent and faxed it to the disputed charges department. When I finally got the option to cancel (a few days after the charge, hmmmm) I went through all the "are you really sure?" pages and made my way to the big red cancel button.

To their credit, I was refunded in full, so I'm okay as far as that goes, but man, they didn't make it easy. Lesson learned.

I recommend reading the fine print when you sign up and find out how you get out, if you can get out, before you put down the cash for it.

Post: "Hard to find a Real Estate Mentor"

Sheila O'SheaPosted
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It's my observation that real estate investors LOVE to talk about real estate. I can't tell you the number of times I've told people "Well, I'm just figuring all this out, ya know," and been given loads of advice from people who will gladly tell you how they went about it.

The seminar zombie mentality will sometimes have you feeling that you have to hurry up and Do Something Before It's Too Late. Don't fall for that--that's just the aftereffects of the psychological tricks they use to persuade you to buy their big thick binders of Vaguely Useful Information for a thousand bucks before you think too hard about what the hell you're paying for.

Post: Forming an LLC

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If it's a single-member LLC--just you and nobody else--I wouldn't even hassle with a lawyer, just hop to the Secretary of State website and set one up online. It's not a complicated process (unless you do something stupid like pick a name that's already been taken by another company that hasn't been gone long enough for the name to free up, but enough about me.)

If you're setting up an LLC with a partner or multiple partners, I would DEFINITELY recommend that you get a lawyer to draw up an Operating Agreement that sets out things like what percentage ownership each member has and what happens in the event of member departing. Otherwise, the state law determines these things, and you may not want that. Note that an Operating Agreement is a separate document from the Articles of Organization (or whatever the equivalent is in your state.)

I Am Not A Lawyer, I Am Only A Paralegal, This Is Not Legal Advice, Just Me And My Loudmouth Opinion, Thank You And Goodnight.

(Oh, hi, I'm new by the way.)