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All Forum Posts by: Anton Tikhomirov

Anton Tikhomirov has started 2 posts and replied 7 times.

Post: Binghamton NY — what’s the catch?

Anton TikhomirovPosted
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Quote from @Stephanie Jacobson:

@Anton Tikhomirov, perhaps it will be more helpful to hear from someone in the market with boots on the ground. I can give you a crash course on the good, the bad and the ugly of Binghamton.

Binghamton is something of a unicorn market at the moment; it's a rust belt city with a history of low incomes and low property values. As a multifamily specialist there, I do mainly two types of housing: affordable (DSS, Section 8, CC), and students.

Binghamton University is a massive state school that's outpacing the higher-ups' expectations for growth, and has been for a few years now. In 2017 they announced they wanted to have 20,000 undergraduate students by 2020. They hit their goal in early 2019. They've built a second campus to accommodate nursing and pharmacy students. The demographics and map data don't take the students into account, but they're really what's driving the market.

Low property values and ever-increasing student rents are a recipe for a market when you can pick up a duplex in decent condition for $150k, and rent it for $500/bed (that's an EGI of $36,000 annually for a 3/3 duplex). It's not unusual to find true 10% cap rates in Bing. We have good managers, good contractors, good attorneys, and (if I do say do myself) some good agents.

So... that's the good.

The bad? There are a few things on this list:

1) Binghamton does not appreciate. Like, at all. We joke that it's recession-proof because the Depression never ended. Ha! Your cashflow will be much higher than other markets, but you'll sell the property for what you bought it for seven years from now. When looking for a property to purchase, make sure you take this into account. 

2) The BRRRR method is really hard to do in Bing, especially in student areas. See above. Forcing appreciation is possible, but you must be very strategic about how you renovate. There isn't a whole lot of wiggle room.

3) At this exact moment, inventory in Binghamton is record-low for investment properties. You'll see a bunch of options on Zillow, but as we all know, you won't find the whole story there. Covid hit family rentals hard; many landlords are still waiting for their day in eviction court, or have properties that are completely wrecked after nonperforming tenants vacated. This is a good thing if you want to do some rehab, but again, you must be very strategic about how much money you put into a place, knowing it won't naturally appreciate beyond what you create in improvements.

4) We're having a bit of a zoning crisis. The new mayor, like most mayors before him, has promised to "crack down" on student housing. The students have been allowed to live all over the west side of the city, and student rents stayed pretty steady (though they have increased every year that I've been doing leasing). The city just passed a very confusing zoning regulation restricting student housing to a specific area, and we're all trying to figure out what the fallout will be. People are holding on to their properties to see which way the wind blows, so finding a decent student property right now is tough. I can't emphasize this enough: it is absolutely crucial that you hire an agent or manager who knows the area before buying a student property here. One block may be legal, the next block may not be. Different houses have different approved uses. Protecting yourself from any future issues will require a good understanding of the situation your house is in when you buy it.

Tl;dr: crime here is relatively low, declining population numbers don't take students into account, properties are cheap, rents are high BUT be careful where you buy.

This concludes my TED Talk, ha!

Thank you, this is EXACTLY what I was looking for, particularly the zoning bit. I knew a few people that went to SUNY Binghamton (and one that moved back there recently) so I had student housing in mind when I asked the question. I’m not very interested in doing BRRR, mostly just a buy and hold for a ready (or close to it) to rent property. I do see a ton of 2 unit houses on Zillow, so would it be a good bet that these are landlords trying to unload their stock before student housing regs kick in? Is it the same in Johnson City? Thanks!

Post: Binghamton NY — what’s the catch?

Anton TikhomirovPosted
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  • Votes 7

I’ve been poking around markets and see that Binghamton seems to have a ton of MF property for pretty low prices that cash flows very well from student housing. What’s the catch - does anyone know?

Quote from @Sonia N.:

Hi Anton,

I'm also from MA and invest OOO in Columbus, OH and Huntsville, AL.  Between the 2, Huntsville is actually a better option IMO if you're interested in tertiary markets in any southern states.  Best of luck!

Hi, thanks for the suggestion! May I ask why Huntsville? 
Quote from @Dustin Street:
Quote from @Anton Tikhomirov:
Quote from @Dustin Street:

@Anton Tikhomirov Congratulations on taking the first steps! Being prepared is honestly all you need to succeed in REI. Out here in KC, we have numerous deals that cashflow, and look at long term appreciation. We even get deals that just need cosmetic updates, meet the 1% rule, and are in a decent neighborhood looking at appreciation. We have several developments that will bring thousands of jobs, upgrades to our airport, new stadium, new resort on the way, and so many other things growing our city every day. You said you looked at the Midwest, have you looked at Kansas City?

I have looked at KC but my analysis was that rents seem very low there compared to some of the more northern locales. Would love to be told I am wrong however. 

 Oh ya! We have low rent areas, but we also have places where rents are 3k+. I'd say average rent is around $1300-$1500 in middle class neighborhoods. I have a property right now, and the rental rates for similar properties in the area is $2200


 Thank you sir, would you be able to generally point me at some neighborhoods to take a look at? 

Quote from @Dustin Street:

@Anton Tikhomirov Congratulations on taking the first steps! Being prepared is honestly all you need to succeed in REI. Out here in KC, we have numerous deals that cashflow, and look at long term appreciation. We even get deals that just need cosmetic updates, meet the 1% rule, and are in a decent neighborhood looking at appreciation. We have several developments that will bring thousands of jobs, upgrades to our airport, new stadium, new resort on the way, and so many other things growing our city every day. You said you looked at the Midwest, have you looked at Kansas City?

I have looked at KC but my analysis was that rents seem very low there compared to some of the more northern locales. Would love to be told I am wrong however. 
Quote from @Remington Lyman:
Quote from @Anton Tikhomirov:

Hi All, this is my first post here, hoping it’s in line with the rules. 

Like a lot of people, I’m looking to buy my first property in the next 3 months or so. I want to focus on growth right now, so I am hoping to find properties that are in areas with good demographic trends. My goal is to have them cash flow positively, but am not hyper-focused on cash flow beyond that (I.e. I don’t need MASSIVE cash flow). The goal would be something that is a mix between cash flow and appreciation. 

I live in MA and don’t want to invest in Fall River/New Bedford so I’m looking out of state. I’ve looked at markets like Indy and Columbus (which seem very good) and then also at Kansas City, Cincinnati, and Jacksonville (though downscale FL particularly makes me nervous). The reason I am posting is to ask whether there are any particular smaller markets or sub markets I should be looking at as well? I’m particularly looking at the Midwest if anyone has any tips, but I’ve also heard there’s great stuff in the sunbelt around AZ in the Phoenix suburbs. Does anyone have any tips on where I should check out? 

Budget is about $200-250k after leverage (so about $50K down + transaction costs). Hoping not to do more than $20k of rehab. 

Thanks!


 There are a lot of smaller towns outside of Columbus, Ohio you should check out. Newark, Delaware, Marysville, Lancaster, and Chillicothe just to name a few

Thank you, this is exactly what I’m looking for. I’m very interested in cbus because it looks to be very up and coming with the new plant coming in and OSU feeding a constant stream of new grads to the area, but im worried im a bit late to the game to get in on the decent neighborhoods in the city proper. Im hoping for kind of the B+ to C+ range since im out of state. 

Hi All, this is my first post here, hoping it’s in line with the rules. 

Like a lot of people, I’m looking to buy my first property in the next 3 months or so. I want to focus on growth right now, so I am hoping to find properties that are in areas with good demographic trends. My goal is to have them cash flow positively, but am not hyper-focused on cash flow beyond that (I.e. I don’t need MASSIVE cash flow). The goal would be something that is a mix between cash flow and appreciation. 

I live in MA and don’t want to invest in Fall River/New Bedford so I’m looking out of state. I’ve looked at markets like Indy and Columbus (which seem very good) and then also at Kansas City, Cincinnati, and Jacksonville (though downscale FL particularly makes me nervous). The reason I am posting is to ask whether there are any particular smaller markets or sub markets I should be looking at as well? I’m particularly looking at the Midwest if anyone has any tips, but I’ve also heard there’s great stuff in the sunbelt around AZ in the Phoenix suburbs. Does anyone have any tips on where I should check out? 

Budget is about $200-250k after leverage (so about $50K down + transaction costs). Hoping not to do more than $20k of rehab. 

Thanks!