All Forum Posts by: Anthony Giardina

So where does a person find these off-market deals, realistically? 

The ADU angle is really interesting, I'll have to look into that some more. One of my selection criteria so far has actually been small lots, because I don't want to pay for landscaping service or spend my weekends trimming somebody else's shrubs. It just seems simpler if that's not a variable. So I've sort of been ignoring properties where an ADU addition was possible. But I'll check it out. 

As far as buying property farther away from home, I have looked at a few other lower-cost areas within a couple hundred miles radius. It seems to be a similar story there, although marginally better. At that distance, having a 3rd party manage and repair the property would be necessary, which again increases expenses. And while I hear a lot about "establishing teams you can trust" to do these things, it doesn't seem cost effective to have a team of support people for a single property. 

Thanks for the info, good to hear from someone in the same area. 

Hi. I've been lurking for a while, educating myself on real estate investing, and just want to get a little confirmation that the numbers I'm seeing make sense. My goal is to invest in cash-flowing properties in the Sacramento area, to provide a hedge against my W2 income. I'm mostly interested in the area east of Sacramento, since that's where I live (Roseville, Orangevale, Citrus Heights, etc...). I can spruce up a properly myself, but I don't have the time to do a BRRR-style renovation.

Using current MLS listings, and also properties sold in the last 12 months, I've been compiling endless spreadsheets to evaluate properties. It seems like the market here is split into a couple categories:

<$150K low end apartments/condos: Some of these are turn-key, some need work. Rents are around $1300/month. Every property that I've inquired about requires either cash, private financing, or hard money because the HOAs or neighborhoods do not qualify for conventional mortgage underwriting (too high percentage of renters, non-warrantable, etc...). Accounting for vacancy, repairs, HOA fees, taxes, insurance, and non-ideal financing, these look like they typically have $100/month positive cash-flow. Considering that these properties also come with higher effort tenants and wont appreciate much, these don't seem worth the time and effort.

$150K-$250K condos and SFH: Very few properties in this price range, and the rents are very low ($1200-$1500) and most come with a $250+ HOA that wipes out any hope of cash flow. I have found some that come out cash flow neutral (accounting for maintenance, vacancy, etc). With appreciation, these properties outperform the long term stock market returns by a factor of ~2x. Decent long term investment, but doesn't provide the cash flow income I want.

$250K-350K SFH: This seems to be the bulk of the market. But I don't think these make any sense at all. I haven't seen any rents for these types of properties above $2000/month, and they all seem a couple hundred dollars in the red for monthly cash flow. Anything above this price point just becomes ridiculous ($500K purchase price, $2K rent...)

Here's a sample calculation that seems pretty typical. I have dozens of these examples: 

Purchase price: $285,000, 30% down @ 4% 30 year

Income (monthly): $1600

Expenses (monthly): 10% vacancy, $237 property tax, $102 insurance, $83 maintenance. 

This property would cash flow $80/month, and leaves no margin for outsourcing the property management or anything else really. This is one of the "better" examples that I've found. It's just really hard to get excited about making $80 a month. 

Is there something fundamental that I'm missing? Do I need to find a new source for deals locally, before they hit the MLS? If so, where would I find such deals? Or maybe I need to look out of state?