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All Forum Posts by: Anna Cerda

Anna Cerda has started 6 posts and replied 18 times.

Post: 6 Unit Building in the Bronx

Anna CerdaPosted
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Quote from @Caroline Gerardo:

6 units can go CMBS commercial or Non QM depends on valuation and market rents.

It is going to be a LONG road to turning over those units in New York. Expect that the rents seller claims maybe not what they pay.

Read: https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/tenants_rights.pdf  NYC tenant rights 


 Thank you

@Andrew Postell Thank you for the thoughts on this topic. I think overall real estate is so much more than just numbers but management skills.  Markets change but one thing stays constant everyone needs a place to live and there are many options, so make your option the best in the market. 

Post: 6 Unit Building in the Bronx

Anna CerdaPosted
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Quote from @Mohammed Rahman:

Hi @Anna Cerda - congrats on your offer being accepted. I'm an investor and broker based in NYC and can give my $0.02. 

Have you already closed on the property? If not, then you're not going to be able to send any non-renewal notices at all. I know you were probably referring to post-closing, but just wanted to be sure. 

If all current monthly tenants are paying well below market rents, I'd ensure that the units themselves aren't stabilized/controlled. I have a comprehensive list that you can also find searching through NYC DOB database, simply text or DM me at the number in my signature. 

In terms of sending out non-renewal notices post-closing, it would depend on how long the current tenants have actually been there. NYC imposes timeline restrictions on notice periods for tenants that have been there for 1-2yrs, 2+ yrs, and so on - meaning, the longer the tenant has been in place, the longer notice period you need to provide. 

I *STRONGLY* advise you to consult with a tenant attorney if your plan is to truly vacate the units as the attorney will be able to follow the process step-by-step. 

The reasoning here is that in NYC, if you were to go to court regarding any kind of eviction proceeding, if the tenant claims that you missed any of the multiple steps (Even if by 1 day) then the process will be required to start from step 0. 

It's a commercial property, so it will likely depend on lender to lender regarding the traditional BRRR strategy.

Happy to point you in the right direction of attorneys, lenders, etc. if you need my suggestions - simply message me thanks. 

 @Mohammed Rahman Thank you. Yes, I meant post-closing.  Any advice you can give me would be amazing and appreciated.  Any referrals to a good attorney and lender will be also tremendous help.  I am going to do my due diligence- do you have a worksheet or anything you can share as as as a guiding post?  NY is tough because they courts are so pro-tenant.

Again, thank you!

Post: 6 Unit Building in the Bronx

Anna CerdaPosted
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Hi everyone,

I need some advise. I am in the process of buying- offer has been accepted- for a 6 unit building- I need some advise on best way to handle sending non-renal notices month to month tenants. All the current tenants are paying way below market rent. 

As you guys know, NY is pro-tenant hence why I want to know the best way to get all new tenants.

The current rent can service a dscr loan but I want to know what do banks look for if I wanted to do Brrrr on this 6 unit budling once the rents are at market. 

Thank you.

Quote from @Erik W.:

I can tell you the Cons right now, and it all boils down to one main issue: they are non-standard types of building.
1) Permitting at the local level. You have to get the city/municipality to sign off on everything, and their codes and regs likely won't be updated for your project. You may be the one who gets to force them to update their codes and regs, assuming they agree to let you do it. This will be costly and time-consuming. So... kudos to you for being a pioneer, but keep in mind pioneering is difficult and costs more than following the trail that others have already blazed.

2) Renting. Tenants generally have amenities and features they like. While shipping containers theoretically are just as good (if not better) structurally, they just don't "look" normal. So you might find a very small niche market of people who like living in what resembles a ginormous corrugated boxes stacked on top of each other, but 90% of your renter pool isn't look for that, no matter what trendy color you paint it.

3) Construction and Maintenance. Finding labor to work on it will again require someone who is a specialist in those kinds of buildings. Odds are you will pay a premium and wait longer. There will also likely be construction issues such as not being able to run wires and plumbing through walls, unless you frame out the interior with drywall.  Also, shipping containers are odd sizes: 8 x 40 and 8 x 20 means rooms can only be a certain size unless you want to tack expensive modifications.

4) Financing. These units are not going to qualify for anything other than short-term, commercial financing from traditional lenders like banks. Ultimately, you'll probably need to pool private investor funds. Rates will likely be higher and subject to market adjustment after a few years.

On the bright side, you'll have units that can withstand hurricane force winds and that get taxed as personal property rather than real estate, and also depreciation might be on a shorter timeline. Not sure about that last one.

A standard shipping contain cost in my town is $3500 for a "one trip" 8 x 20. $4800 for 8 x 40. But that's just the box. Costs will vary depending on how easy it is for your supplier to deliver to you. My town is right on a major rail line, so we get them in frequently and they can be picked up with semi-trailers and delivered easily. After acquiring the boxes, you have to heavily modify them so people can actually live in them. You may also have to install them on commercial land that has been approved for residential structures. This will increase the cost over a standard residential multi-family parcel.

I would say for even an advanced investor, it would be a highly ambitious project with many unforeseen, expensive pitfalls. Works your numbers, then double them just to be sure.


 Thank you!

Thank you for your thoughts. Just thinking it might be something cool and unique

Does anyone here have any experience building homes out of containers? pros? Cons? Are they cheaper than traditional structures?

I am in the process of buying a multi-family and each apt as a extra room how can I convert it into another bedroom and have it reflect on the CO.  In one apt its a room without a door in the other apt I do need to add a bit more sq ft but the rooms exist. How can I update the property card.

Quote from @Mohammed Rahman:

Hey @Anna Cerda - I haven't used an excel spreadsheet in years but there are a lot of templates online you can find for free. 

Using the BiggerPockets calculator will also be helpful. 


 I checked and none download correctly and in your experience - how do investors analyze and keep track if not excel?

Does anyone have a good excel spreadsheet - P&L for investment properties that you can share.

Thank you,

Anna