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All Forum Posts by: Anjelica Allen

Anjelica Allen has started 4 posts and replied 19 times.

Has anyone experienced this in the cook county area?

My insurance company stated they will not be renewing my property insurance policy due to my flat roof. I've had them for a year, and with in that year the company changed coverage policies.

Now every insurance company I call to get coverage from says they can't insure my duplex, because it has a flat roof and over 105 years old. 

This is my first property and im confused, most of the property in my area have flat roofs. What am i missing, I'm running out of time?

Quote from @Crystal Smith:
Quote from @Anjelica Allen:

Greetings everyone,

So I'm one week to closing on my first home. I'm purchasing a Duplex with a 203k FHA rehab loan (Property 275k).

1. The first unit needs repairs, nothing major (Estimate 27k). Second unit is occupied with tenants that are refusing to pay market value, they are paying 950, when the average rent is 1200+. I don’t like the idea of market value terms as rent prices and incomes haven’t matched in years. Seller claims they will give notice to vacate upon closing, which begs to questions does this fall on me now?

2. Another issue I'm having is that my lender requested me to pay the full year of home insurance before closing, even tho payments after closing will continue to go to escrow from mortgage payments for the year I just paid for. Lender stated that everything about my property is expensive, and 203k FHA loan doesn't allow/ or have grants available. Why not? Why do I have to pay this now, instead of paying it during closing with loan?

3. Lastly the biggest issue of it all is that the Loan Estimate had me closing at -8k, which was great, because I could keep my reserves to apply to the principle and or unexpected costs. But I received my Closing Disclosure document to sign and now its saying 18k to close, which wouldn’t leave me with a lot of cushion afterwards. 

With all the documents to sign, legalize language, and seller pressuring to close. Something just doesn’t sit right with me and I don’t know if it’s something I’m missing or I’m about to take on a problem. I’ve saved for so long to get to this point, that I’m worried after all this, I may have to walk away.


 1. When you purchase an income producing property, you are also essentially purchasing the contracts/leases that go with that property.  Unless your contract has it in writing that the property will be delivered vacant.  If it's not in writing then the existing tenants will be your tenants once you close and it will be your responsibility to send them a notice that you or your company are the new owners and you do not intent to renew their lease. You must become familiar with the Chicago Residential Tenant Landlord Ordinance before you do this.  The ordinance specifies how much notice you must give a tenant depending on how long they have lived in the property.  

2. There are usually 2 choices for paying your homeowners insurance. Choice 1- PrePay before closing. Choice 2- Provide your insurance company with all of the relevant information, including the date of closing, your lender & the title company where you will be closing. The company will then send a bill to the title company that is applied at closing. It actually doesn't make much of a difference since the $ will be coming out of your pocket no matter what. Regarding grants- Most grants are available for downpayment and closing costs assistance depending on location of the property, credit, income level.... It's usually not a function of whether or not the loan is an FHA 203k.

3. I don't have enough information to provide you with any feedback on your loan estimate other than to compare line by line the original loan estimate versus what they are giving you now. 

Thank you for your prompt response. I appreciate it, you have been an extreme help.

1. The tenant is month to month, and refuses to pay market value. Seller stated this and didn’t want to give vacancy till closing. Because in their view, if we don’t close they don’t want to lose the tenant.

2. I’ve paid the insurance, I was just wondering if it was normal or whom should I question about it. The support system I have, don’t own property in Chicago and can only advise so much. I’m pretty much on my own, hoping that the team I’m working with to close are doing things in my best interest.

3. I will print out items and compare the two to determine why the numbers are not adding up. And address my legal advisor on a resolution.

Quote from @Theresa Harris:

I don't know how it is in the US, but in Canada we have a lawyer who handles closing. They check the title and do all that stuff.  If it was me, I'd sit down with my lawyer and go through the documents. That is what you are paying them to do.  People make mistakes, but going from $8K to $18K in closing costs is a big jump.  Ask the bank and lawyer what is different between the two estimates.

Thank you, I plan to reach out to my lawyer Monday to discuss to the issue.
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Anjelica Allen

1.

What was the breakdown on the $18k for closing costs?

Response: The break down is extensive, I would have to know exactly what you need to see, for me to send.

2. Were you buying property with those tenants vacating? If there lease is in place you cannot raise rent on them until lease expires. If it’s month to month I would say you want them removed prior to closing and push the closing by 30 days to give them notice if you just

Response: The tenant is month to month, the tenants refuse to pay market value at the request of the seller. Seller stated to my lawyer that they wont send notice to vacate until closing. In their view if we don’t close they want to keep the tenant. I can not extend closing anymore, because it was already extended due to contractor issues. Extending could result in me losing the property.

3. Yes insurance is paid upfront and escrow is collected for the next years bill - you will also typically prepay some taxes as well

Response: Taxes are being cover by seller. I was not notified of the practice in paying up front on insurance which gave me hesitation. 

As mentioned get a real estate attorney or title company to walk you through every line item so you understand it

Thank you, I responded to your questions above.

Greetings everyone,

So I'm one week to closing on my first home. I'm purchasing a Duplex with a 203k FHA rehab loan (Property 275k).

1. The first unit needs repairs, nothing major (Estimate 27k). Second unit is occupied with tenants that are refusing to pay market value, they are paying 950, when the average rent is 1200+. I don’t like the idea of market value terms as rent prices and incomes haven’t matched in years. Seller claims they will give notice to vacate upon closing, which begs to questions does this fall on me now?

2. Another issue I'm having is that my lender requested me to pay the full year of home insurance before closing, even tho payments after closing will continue to go to escrow from mortgage payments for the year I just paid for. Lender stated that everything about my property is expensive, and 203k FHA loan doesn't allow/ or have grants available. Why not? Why do I have to pay this now, instead of paying it during closing with loan?

3. Lastly the biggest issue of it all is that the Loan Estimate had me closing at -8k, which was great, because I could keep my reserves to apply to the principle and or unexpected costs. But I received my Closing Disclosure document to sign and now its saying 18k to close, which wouldn’t leave me with a lot of cushion afterwards. 

With all the documents to sign, legalize language, and seller pressuring to close. Something just doesn’t sit right with me and I don’t know if it’s something I’m missing or I’m about to take on a problem. I’ve saved for so long to get to this point, that I’m worried after all this, I may have to walk away.

Post: Need some solid advise

Anjelica AllenPosted
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Quote from @Dave Skow:

@Anjelica Allen- thanks ...depending on what type of commercial property you plan to buy -  you will liekly need to  have a sizable down payment  15-40% of price and  will likely need to use a  commercial loan which has  higher / different terms than a home loan does ....also -  assuming you  are  planning to live in one of the units of the  duplex -   consider  trying to  refinance  the loan  to a conventional  BEFORE   you  move  from it  in the future


 Thank you, I will look into that. 

Post: Need some solid advise

Anjelica AllenPosted
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Quote from @Julien Jeannot:

Congrats! A duplex is a solid start.

Great advice above.

- Maximize rents and add value to boost the building value.

- Educate yourself in the commercial work, start networking with investors and brokers.

-Save and build up a "war chest" to invest in the next property.

Thank you so much..
I'm going to start on that as soon as I close. Wonderful advice, much appreciated.  

Post: Need some solid advise

Anjelica AllenPosted
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Quote from @John Warren:

@Anjelica Allen I am not that big of a fan of the 203k for newer investors, especially if capital is limited. I have seen clients of mine have more success using it to preserve capital when they have the cash instead of stretching to get construction work done. 

Maybe look into some of the low-down payment programs beyond FHA? We have had a lot of clients have success with 5% and 10% down portfolio loans here locally. Your dream of owning the commercial real estate will come soon enough!


Unfortunately the market area I was searching for in my price range, all required repairs. I could not apply for FHA alone based on guidelines. I made the decision based on my options.

Post: Need some solid advise

Anjelica AllenPosted
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Quote from @Paul De Luca:
Quote from @Anjelica Allen:

Good day,

I'm a first time investor. I want to get a commercial property down the line, but needed to start small first. So, I'm about to close on a 300k duplex, with a 203k FHA. Which was all I could get, since I don't have much of credit history, and below 30k in reserves. I plan to live in residence until I'm able to afford what commercial property requires for purchase. Is there any advise to best utilize this grace period so I'm prepared for the commercial property purchase. Even with a tenant in the 2nd unit I'm still paying a portion of the mortgage. Thank you


 Most investors need to start with smaller residential properties before they get into commercial properties because it requires more capital (20-30% down in most cases). With residential properties, you can put a lot less down (0-10%) if you owner occupy depending on the exact loan and property type.


 Thank you

Post: Need some solid advise

Anjelica AllenPosted
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Quote from @Scott E.:

Unless you're making way more than you spend, it'll probably be a few years until you're ready to buy that commercial property.

So between now and then, focus your time on 2 things:

1. Getting educated

2. Building your network

You'll need to start underwriting tons of deals. Learning about different sub markets. Deciding if you want to get into multifamily, retail, storage, office, industrial, etc.

There's a lot to it. But you have time.


 Thank you for your advice. I will start attending meetings with like minds, and work my way up.