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All Forum Posts by: Angel Wu

Angel Wu has started 2 posts and replied 10 times.

Post: Are there CoC 8%+ markets (without needing rehab)?

Angel WuPosted
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Quote from @Ali Boone:
You can get the actual property tax amount if you go to the tax assessor's website for that county and plug in the address. All of that is public record.

A CoC of 8% has gotten pretty hard for turnkeys, but it's not undoable. I'm working with turnkeys from a provider on the Illinois side of St. Louis-- all the properties hit the 1% rule (believe it or not) and most of them are at least 8% CoC. You can also try to put your own team together outside of the turnkey providers and try to get rent-ready/turnkey properties that way.

It's not that everyone is suddenly investing for appreciation, but they are having to do a lot more thorough analyses of the other profit centers on a rental property outside of cash flow (the profit centers that actually make people wealthy in REI...cash flow by itself has never been what makes someone filthy rich). Appreciation is a big one, but the biggest one is the hedging against inflation. The more inflation goes crazy, the more profitable a property (with a fixed-rate mortgage) is.

Thanks for your response Ali. Question regarding property tax…. The properties I've been analyzing all currently have very low property taxes (~1200/yr). When I use that property tax amount in my analysis the COC is very high. However my concern is that once the property is sold it can be reassessed either right away or at any point in the future. Once it is reassessed it can go up to 2% of the purchase price as worst case scenario in the market I'm analyzing. As an investor don't I have to account for a worst case scenario which would mean property tax of ~7000/ year? When that happens that would effectively eat up all the earnings and put me in negative cash flow right away. So does this mean investors just buy and hope that that reassessment doesn't happen or isn't that high and when/if it does go up to worst case scenario 2%*purchase price they quickly sell? I've read of other's experiences with this on the forum and some say they've gotten lawyers and professionals to help fight the property tax increases with no success so they are just stuck with negative cash flow properties. Given this type of risk I'm thinking why would anyone invest!? There must me some strategy or way of thinking that I'm missing!!

Post: Are there CoC 8%+ markets (without needing rehab)?

Angel WuPosted
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Quote from @Steven Foster Wilson:
Quote from @Angel Wu:
Quote from @Steven Foster Wilson:
Quote from @Angel Wu:

Anyone know of any markets with CoC of at least 8% without having to rehab? Is that even possible with today's interest rates? I'm new to this so need your input. I identified a hot market (Columbus OH) and analyzed many SFH/duplexes on and off market and found that the CoCs I'm getting are negative (A/B) to at best 2-3% (B-/C). One thing that is difficult to account for in my analysis is the actual property tax. My realtor has told me that the property taxes are based on assessed prices and that the county reassesses every 6 years, but that the worst case scenario would be 2% of purchase price if they reassess upon sale so 2% is what I've used in my calculations. The rest of the expense, I went with standard numbers/what my realtor suggested for the area. I can't imagine investors are investing for this type of CoC so does this mean they are only buying for appreciation? I get rehabbing to unlock value is crucial in REI success, but as a first timer and out of state I'm just not up for that yet. With all of that being said, if I'm not up for buying for appreciation and not up for rehabbing, then I should probably hold off on buying now, right?


I just bought a deal on the MLS last week in Columbus OH that offers a 27% COC return. All we did was change the light fixtures and raise the rents.

Assuming this was a triplex?

 Nope, this was a 4 bedroom 1.5 bath duplex per side. The 4-bed really pushed the value of rent! It came on the market, and I was able to act quickly and throw an offer in. If it had sat on the market it would have been bid up!

Can I ask how your property tax is so low? 

Post: Are there CoC 8%+ markets (without needing rehab)?

Angel WuPosted
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Quote from @Steven Foster Wilson:
Quote from @Angel Wu:

Anyone know of any markets with CoC of at least 8% without having to rehab? Is that even possible with today's interest rates? I'm new to this so need your input. I identified a hot market (Columbus OH) and analyzed many SFH/duplexes on and off market and found that the CoCs I'm getting are negative (A/B) to at best 2-3% (B-/C). One thing that is difficult to account for in my analysis is the actual property tax. My realtor has told me that the property taxes are based on assessed prices and that the county reassesses every 6 years, but that the worst case scenario would be 2% of purchase price if they reassess upon sale so 2% is what I've used in my calculations. The rest of the expense, I went with standard numbers/what my realtor suggested for the area. I can't imagine investors are investing for this type of CoC so does this mean they are only buying for appreciation? I get rehabbing to unlock value is crucial in REI success, but as a first timer and out of state I'm just not up for that yet. With all of that being said, if I'm not up for buying for appreciation and not up for rehabbing, then I should probably hold off on buying now, right?


I just bought a deal on the MLS last week in Columbus OH that offers a 27% COC return. All we did was change the light fixtures and raise the rents.

Assuming this was a triplex?

Post: Are there CoC 8%+ markets (without needing rehab)?

Angel WuPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Los Angeles
  • Posts 10
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Anyone know of any markets with CoC of at least 8% without having to rehab? Is that even possible with today's interest rates? I'm new to this so need your input. I identified a hot market (Columbus OH) and analyzed many SFH/duplexes on and off market and found that the CoCs I'm getting are negative (A/B) to at best 2-3% (B-/C). One thing that is difficult to account for in my analysis is the actual property tax. My realtor has told me that the property taxes are based on assessed prices and that the county reassesses every 6 years, but that the worst case scenario would be 2% of purchase price if they reassess upon sale so 2% is what I've used in my calculations. The rest of the expense, I went with standard numbers/what my realtor suggested for the area. I can't imagine investors are investing for this type of CoC so does this mean they are only buying for appreciation? I get rehabbing to unlock value is crucial in REI success, but as a first timer and out of state I'm just not up for that yet. With all of that being said, if I'm not up for buying for appreciation and not up for rehabbing, then I should probably hold off on buying now, right?

Post: Newbie out of state investor

Angel WuPosted
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Quote from @Allen Wu:
Quote from @Angel Wu:

Hi everyone! Newbie investor here living in LA looking to invest out of state. As a newbie out of state investor would you guys recommend I work with a turnkey company? If so, any suggestions on how to find a vetted one in the area (thinking Cleveland, Columbus, Birmingham)? Is just working with a local investor real estate agent and management company a pretty safe bet too? I am just starting out in the out of state arena so don't want to bite off something I can't handle and/or run into too many blindspots. Thanks for everyone's advise and expertise : )

I live in LA too. I’m in San Antonio and Cape Coral. Happy to intro you to my team.

I'll DM you!

Post: Newbie out of state investor

Angel WuPosted
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Quote from @Manco Snead:

I would highly recommend having your first rental be local. There is too much to learn with the first property. The out of state wild card will be property management;  it's hard to find a good PM and if you get a bad one your life will become very complicated.


I have a SFH rental here in LA I've been managing myself for 4 years. Unfortunately I'm priced out of the current market so need to explore out of state investments. Managing has definitely been a pain in the butt and finding a trusted manager at a distance definitely is not going to be easy. I am hoping to build connections and go from there. Any unique tips on finding a good PM would be appreciated.

Post: Newbie out of state investor

Angel WuPosted
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Quote from @Nathan Murith:

@Angel Wu welcome to BiggerPockets and congratulations on doing the work! Well done introducing yourself and reaching out like this! I sure as heck did not have the courage back when we were starting :-)

We are also based on the west coast and invest remotely, so I am more than happy to connect and share everything we know, our mistakes, tools, tips, tricks.

We've looked at and talked to a number of turnkey companies. The services they provide can be great. That said, the returns they offer pale in comparison to what you can get by doing a little work on your own and buying deals off the MLS.

In any case, we love to talk all things real estate and love to help others getting started in the spirit of giving back!

Happy to share any and all resources, tips, tricks, tools, network we have and still use today. Please do not hesitate to reach out, DM, and connect. Looking forward to chatting and helping out!

when we chat, I can tell you all about our experience investing remotely. It's not as scary as it seems :-) Talk soon!


 Thanks for the support Nathan! I’m going to DM you :)

Post: Newbie out of state investor

Angel WuPosted
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Quote from @Remington Lyman:
Quote from @Angel Wu:

Hi everyone! Newbie investor here living in LA looking to invest out of state. As a newbie out of state investor would you guys recommend I work with a turnkey company? If so, any suggestions on how to find a vetted one in the area (thinking Cleveland, Columbus, Birmingham)? Is just working with a local investor real estate agent and management company a pretty safe bet too? I am just starting out in the out of state arena so don't want to bite off something I can't handle and/or run into too many blindspots. Thanks for everyone's advise and expertise : )


I recommend you read this article on OOS investing. It explains the importance of creating your core four. You will need to get a local, rockstar Realtor, contractor, lender, and property manager.

https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

I invest locally in Columbus, Ohio

 Thank you for sharing. I definitely feel a tiiiiiny bit more knowledgeable now! Would love referrals to your 4 if you’re willing to share!

Post: Newbie out of state investor

Angel WuPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Los Angeles
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 13

Hi everyone! Newbie investor here living in LA looking to invest out of state. As a newbie out of state investor would you guys recommend I work with a turnkey company? If so, any suggestions on how to find a vetted one in the area (thinking Cleveland, Columbus, Birmingham)? Is just working with a local investor real estate agent and management company a pretty safe bet too? I am just starting out in the out of state arena so don't want to bite off something I can't handle and/or run into too many blindspots. Thanks for everyone's advise and expertise : )

Post: Long Distance Investor

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