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All Forum Posts by: Andy Port

Andy Port has started 1 posts and replied 4 times.

Quote from @Ian Ippolito:

 @Andy Port

This is the book I wish I'd read when I started...and I think it should be required reading for every beginner and pro.

It's called "Investing in Real Estate Private Equity: An Insider’s Guide to Real Estate Partnerships, Funds, Joint Ventures & Crowdfunding". And it's written under the pseudonym of Sean Cook by Paul Kaseburg.

Paul’s sat on both sides of the table on over $2 billion of real estate deals. And in my opinion, his book covers everything a newbie needs to understand: from asset selection, to evaluating sponsors, to capital structures. For pros, he challenges conventional wisdom and explodes sacred cows by exposing hidden conflicts of interests and mis-alignments that many in the industry won’t admit to.

And I feel this book took my personal due diligence (and how I look at deals) to the next level.


 Thank you for the recommendation and advice! I just ordered that and its relatively inexpensive off Amazon. Personally I love reading that isn't a school-style textbook and when its about putting things into practice, I'm all for it!

Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
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Quote from @Greg Scott:

I'll share my thoughts. I've done a lot of residential real estate deals including dozens of passive investments and have syndicated four apartment complexes.

REITS - These are more akin to stocks than real estate investing and do not come with the tax benefits.  I do not invest in REITS

Passive Investing - I do lots of this.  To date my annualized return has been north of 30%, so you can do quite well.  However, you have to be very, very selective.  You need to learn to read the PPMs and dissect what is in them.  Without a hours-long conversation, here are things I consider.

1) I have never invested with anyone that charges an acquisition fee, and most syndicators charge an acquisition fee.  If they get paid up-front, how hard will they work to make the deal profitable?  I've seen as high as 4% acquisition fee, and anything 2% or over is too much.

2) I have never invested in a waterfall return. (Example 8% pref return, then 80/20 split until achieve 15% IRR, then 50/50) The main reason most syndicators offer a preferred return is because people that invest in mutual funds feel like they are guaranteed as high a return as they would get in the mutual fund. Typically waterfall returns will also come with a lot of fees to the syndicator because they are not going to work for free. (So, do you really have a PREFERRED return?) Also, this creates misalignment of interests as the deal unfolds.

3) Check the details of the operating agreement.  Can the syndicator be removed if they are not performing?  Are they required to publish financials or do they simple "intend" to publish financials?  (There are passive investors in deals that haven't seen financials in years)  Do the passive investors get to vote on anything or are they simply along for the ride.

4) Understand the business plan.  How will they achieve the promised returns?  Is that realistic?  (I've seen deals where they say they are going to achieve $X in rent, but NOBODY in the submarket gets those kinds of rents.) How long is the hold time?  What is the financing?  Who is the property manager?  Who is the asset manager?

I could go on, but that is a decent short list.


 Great to hear I really appreciate it! I would definitely need to dive more into risks with the structures and sponsors, but it definitely keeps me in the direction I've been moving and seems to be consistent with what I am looking for. Like you mentioned and what I've read is the deal structure and sponsor carries the biggest risk so thank you! 

BP now has Passive Pockets I would take a look at that.. @Scott Trench is Keen on giving BP members the best shot possible for a safe syndicated investment. 


Thanks - I saw that and its definitely something I would be pretty open to subscribing to once I wanted to start and it isn't overly pricey.

I saw it has some intro information as well, but not sure if anyone has recommendations on books/reading for this area for some of the more detailed risks/points to evaluate? Most recommendations I saw on the forum look like they are on the non-syndicated topic and I've read a few of them.

Always appreciate and love to learn more from recommendations.

Quote from @Greg Scott:

I'll share my thoughts. I've done a lot of residential real estate deals including dozens of passive investments and have syndicated four apartment complexes.

REITS - These are more akin to stocks than real estate investing and do not come with the tax benefits.  I do not invest in REITS

Passive Investing - I do lots of this.  To date my annualized return has been north of 30%, so you can do quite well.  However, you have to be very, very selective.  You need to learn to read the PPMs and dissect what is in them.  Without a hours-long conversation, here are things I consider.

1) I have never invested with anyone that charges an acquisition fee, and most syndicators charge an acquisition fee.  If they get paid up-front, how hard will they work to make the deal profitable?  I've seen as high as 4% acquisition fee, and anything 2% or over is too much.

2) I have never invested in a waterfall return. (Example 8% pref return, then 80/20 split until achieve 15% IRR, then 50/50) The main reason most syndicators offer a preferred return is because people that invest in mutual funds feel like they are guaranteed as high a return as they would get in the mutual fund. Typically waterfall returns will also come with a lot of fees to the syndicator because they are not going to work for free. (So, do you really have a PREFERRED return?) Also, this creates misalignment of interests as the deal unfolds.

3) Check the details of the operating agreement.  Can the syndicator be removed if they are not performing?  Are they required to publish financials or do they simple "intend" to publish financials?  (There are passive investors in deals that haven't seen financials in years)  Do the passive investors get to vote on anything or are they simply along for the ride.

4) Understand the business plan.  How will they achieve the promised returns?  Is that realistic?  (I've seen deals where they say they are going to achieve $X in rent, but NOBODY in the submarket gets those kinds of rents.) How long is the hold time?  What is the financing?  Who is the property manager?  Who is the asset manager?

I could go on, but that is a decent short list.


 Great to hear I really appreciate it! I would definitely need to dive more into risks with the structures and sponsors, but it definitely keeps me in the direction I've been moving and seems to be consistent with what I am looking for. Like you mentioned and what I've read is the deal structure and sponsor carries the biggest risk so thank you! 

I'm currently looking to take some money out of traditional investments and begin investing directly into real estate as a passive investor on syndicated deals.

The internet is pretty much copy-paste with advice on how to access real estate and defaults to saying "Just invest in a REIT - its the same" except you pay for the entire pool of existing properties (even if they have low yields in less opportunistic areas), the entire management team's multi-million dollar salary and their private jet, etc... No thanks.

So I really have been interested in passively investing in good deals with experienced sponsors, but want to set my expectations to be realistic and right for this. Any advice would be great as well.


My rationale is below:


- I have a career and don't want to focus on real estate full time right now. I want to be "hands off" for the development/management phase.
- I would like to get a minimum of 12-15% irr on average, with potential for higher returns.
- I have some past experience working with sponsors from PE funds on non-real estate deals.
- I get an experienced sponsor/developer that can run the show so I don't run the risk of making any (very expensive) mistakes from my lack of experience.
- I can get exposure to large multi-family with many tenants. If the occupancy is high, then I have less risk/hassle with one or a few tenants.
- I can invest across different types of deals unusual or difficult for a smaller investor (multi-family, opportunistic/distressed offices, hotels, etc.).
- I don't need to put up as much upfront equity as I would need to for doing it myself and I can use that capital across multiple deals.
- Pricing 'should' be better from the perspective of fees, contractors, rates, etc. that the sponsor gets vs. me as a solo investor.
- I don't care if the investment is less liquid vs. an ETF or REIT and I would aim to hold it for 5+ years at the bare minimum.


Some other questions I had and would appreciate any advice:

- Is an average minimum of 12-15% irr reasonable for syndicated deals ($10mm - $100mm) with an experienced sponsor? Assuming the deals are value-add or new developments with moderate leverage/risk targets. It seems to be a more than reasonable average with potential for 20%+ on some deals from what I read, but I would love to hear from experience. So far I've read that it may be difficult to get some of the irrs that are marketed since there has been a bull run across real estate with a low-rate environment the last decade and I would love to hear thoughts.

- What are the "usual" investment minimums for a deal? I've seen anywhere from $25k - 50k, but can even be $250k with the bigger companies, but want to get thoughts. It seems to always be flexible and at discretion of their investors they are looking to take on.

- Do sponsors/developers generally just look for GPs or preferred investors? Or do they charge massive fees that private equity sponsors charge for their LP investors for buying businesses (2% management / 20% profit)? It seems like GP/preferred is the answer so I would avoid these massive fees on the profits since developers seem to market a deal-by-deal in real estate and I would actually be a direct GP investor.

- How would you exit an investment say after 10 years after a commercial property is developed for whatever reason? I assume you can be taken out by an existing investor or using a broker to find a buyer for your stake if the asset is a good cash-flowing one?


Really appreciate any advice, feedback, or respectful criticisms! Thanks in advance.