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All Forum Posts by: Andrew Wilkins

Andrew Wilkins has started 7 posts and replied 18 times.

Post: 4 plex for sell

Andrew Wilkins
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  • Phoenix
  • Posts 19
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Sale price $190k

Unit 1: $725

Unit 2: $750

Unit 3: $500

Unit 4: $750

Income producing fourplex located in great central location. Lots of upgrades done in the past few years include Hot water heater(22), re-wired and GFCI's , new duct work, chimney lined and B-bond, sewer line, plumbing repairs, and some windows relaced. Bakers Waterproofing did waterproofing and interior french drain with 2 sump pumps and dehumidifier. unit 2 is very nice with new quartz counter tops, stainless microwave and stove, refrigerator, LPV kitchen and bath flooring, backsplash and fresh paint. Unit 4 has new refrigerator and microwave.

Post: Rookie looking for help finding a loan

Andrew Wilkins
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Steven Foster Wilson:
Quote from @Andrew Wilkins:

I've located a 4-plex (150k 700/month per unit) that's long distance and I'm trying to find some help getting it financed. My wife and I have zero debt, 100k cash but no job at the moment as we sold our house and moved to a new state to help my MIL. We do not intend to owner occupy the property. Credit scores are 748 for me and 800 for my wife. I feel like we are just caught between a rock and a hard place simply because we are not currently employed. This morning I've reached out to about a dozen different lenders and I've yet to find one that can help or is interested in giving a little guidance. Please can someone help me locate a loan product that will help us fund this deal?


 Have you tried wildcat lending? It is hard money and they sold a go off of the property and the come from it.


 We have not, but I will reach out and see what their terms are. 

Post: Rookie looking for help finding a loan

Andrew Wilkins
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Greg Huegel:

The $50k/unit minimum value is for a multifamily commercial style loan. These types of loans have more qualifications/requirements and typically have a balloon note at 5,10, or 15 years compared to the traditional 30-year term. Most lenders consider single family residences as a property with 1 to 4 units and any property 5 units or more would be considered a multifamily property. Thus, you should not be running into the minimum property value requirement for a 4-plex. A large portion of lenders do not offer financing for multifamily properties and the ones that do, require a minimum per door value to be able to move forward. This is required because the appraisal reports are more complex for multifamily (MF) properties. MF appraisals are determined using the income based approach and are often broken down the number of units versus SFR valuations, which are based on sales comps within the past 12 months.


 Nice to know, thanks for your input

Post: Rookie looking for help finding a loan

Andrew Wilkins
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  • Phoenix
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Caroline Gerardo:

DSCR with 20% down cash flows. However $700 rent on a unit worth 1/4 of $150000 doesn't make sense in most markets, are you certain that is market rent ? Appraiser will do a rent survey of other units listed for rent and any contracts they might find. What state?


 It's in Pennsylvania, according to my realtor in PA the rents are normally closer to 500, however in the last two years they have risen to 700 per month. Two of the units are currently rented at that price.  

Post: Rookie looking for help finding a loan

Andrew Wilkins
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  • Phoenix
  • Posts 19
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Quote from @Erik Estrada:

Do you own your primary residence? 

We do not at this time. We are staying with MIL temporarily until we get settled. I've asked about DSCR loans but every lender I've asked has said it's not something they do or they require a 50k per unit minimum and this property doesn't fit that.

Post: Rookie looking for help finding a loan

Andrew Wilkins
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 10

I've located a 4-plex (150k 700/month per unit) that's long distance and I'm trying to find some help getting it financed. My wife and I have zero debt, 100k cash but no job at the moment as we sold our house and moved to a new state to help my MIL. We do not intend to owner occupy the property. Credit scores are 748 for me and 800 for my wife. I feel like we are just caught between a rock and a hard place simply because we are not currently employed. This morning I've reached out to about a dozen different lenders and I've yet to find one that can help or is interested in giving a little guidance. Please can someone help me locate a loan product that will help us fund this deal?

Post: 4 year live-in house-hack flip

Andrew Wilkins
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 10

4 years ago my wife and I bought a 4/3 SFH. We bought it because it was actually cheaper to have a mortgage than to pay rent in the city we live in. We had zero idea what we were doing but we knew we had a good deal. The property was in nice little pocket neighborhood in a C- area of the city. However, A light rail was planned to extend down a main street within walking distance and the house seemed to be in the path of progress. Today, the area is gentrifying bit by bit and the light rail is currently under construction. New construction is coming up all around us.

Since we had no idea how to do anything with real estate, we bought from Open Door, used their agents, their lender (this is actually what got us the house because we only offered asking price, again, no idea what we were doing). So many things could have gone wrong and we could have been taken advantage of, but it worked out. At the time houses similar to the one we bought in better area's were going for 250k, the one we bought was on sale for 185k. 

Fast forward a year into owning the house, we discovered Bigger Pockets and decided to get our financial life in order. We learned about house-hacking so we got a few roommates. OH THE LESSONS LEARNED!! We've had 3 god awful tenants in 3 years and the biggest one is "It doesn't matter if the person is your best friend in the world, they must sign a lease just like anyone else." We charged our tenants 500 a month, utilities included and typically at any given time had two tenants which covered the majority of the mortgage. We were able to save and pay down a massive amount of debt because of it. 

Now for the flip. with everything that is going on, our house has basically doubled in value and we are planning on cashing in. My wife's mother owns a single rental that she is selling to us at a loss to avoid cap gains and depreciation recapture. So we will get a new home to move into on the super cheap and we can sell our house at what feels like the top of the market. We have a 3 month renovation period we are working in. We are upgrading all the counters to granite, painting cabinets, carpet to LVP, hardware from a basic brass to a matte black with copper finish, putting in ceiling fans etc. We plan to list in December, Here's a break down of the numbers of this deal

Purchase price: 181k (got 4k credits on close due to repairs), 5.1% rate, $1,160 PITI, 10k Down OPM (Whole life insurance loan + gift of 5k from family)

Mortgage owed: 165k ( Spent the last 15 months taking advantage of the CARES Forbearance) 
Renovations: 15k 

Listing price: 400k (hoping to get 425K)

Comps: 350k-380k

New house:

Purchase price: 80k cash (worth 240k)

Comps: 240k

The plan is to put a Heloc on the new house but have it paid off to reduce our living expenses. One tenant will be moving in with us so the house will cashflow and act as our reserve. We will take the rest of the cash to BRRRR multi-family properties and hopefully do a minimum of 4 deals in 2022

Post: Need info on Ohio and Indiana

Andrew Wilkins
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 10

Hi there, after reading David Greene's book on long distance real estate investing my wife and I have started looking into Ohio and Indiana markets and the prices are really blowing us away.

for those who are experienced in these states, what are things a rookie should know about your markets. Landlord laws or expectations to know about, weird tax things, etc.

I know I'm asking the broadest question, but I really could use the help

Post: 20 year old seeking advice

Andrew Wilkins
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 10

Read, the biggest advice I can give you is to read everything you can get your hands on. Read your contracts often, fully understand what they mean so you can explain it to your clients. Read the inspection report thoroughly so you know what your client is getting into. Read books on finance, business and investing, the more tools you find the more outs you have when things go south. Read so you can learn what you don't know, what you thought you knew, but didn't and even read more about what you do know. There's no such thing as useless information, just information that hasn't been needed yet. 

Post: First Time Home Buyer

Andrew Wilkins
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 10

Hey there, in order to find a deal with owner financed you're going to want to look at For Sale By Owner. This can work sometimes, but it's a big ask. Currently the Phoenix market is strongly in favor of sellers but if the market changes you might be able to make it work. I'd recommend house hacking your first property, FHA has really low requirements for entry. Feel free to message me if you'd like more details